Facts, statistics DISPROVE the BIG LIE about police

"Unsubstantiated" means that you made a claim, and provided not evidence or basis. Any claim you make, regardless of whether it's real or not, that you don't substantiate when you make it, is... unsubstantiated. You still provide no evidence of claims like:

"Though Jim Crow was bad, black entrepreneurship hit a high point just before the Great Depression. [...] Black owned banks and insurance companies popped up. Now they're all but gone. "​

Also nothing to show that the number of black-owned banks have declined more than white-owned banks. Therefore, even if that is true (and I don't know that it is, and not relevant enough to look it up), at this point it remains unsubstantiated.

If you are uncomfortable with your claims being tagged "unsubstantiated", the way to avoid that is to substantiate them at the same time you make them.

In any case, this is completely irrelevant to the discussion. And does not explain why, as the OP claims (and is also unsubstantiated), blacks commit more crimes than white people. I just wanted to explain the meaning of the term "unsubstantiated". Not the topic of this thread, though.

 

You have no evidence that blacks commit more crimes? How much do you need? They kill each other at a rate about seven times that of whites. That fact is not in dispute since most of those deaths occur in black neighborhoods. You somehow believe that they kill each other but do not commit other crimes. Many times those deaths are in conjunction with other crimes. I consider that pretty solid proof.

 

It was in one of the links I just posted which you didn't read. Thanks.

Unsubstantiated can mean a lot of things. The claims I made were indeed substantiated. I just didn't give you the links. Because, like above, you don't read them anyway.

 

A building block of that argument was (in your words) "why do they lack parental guidance?"

I responded to that building block. You do not like my answer because it does not comport with your preconceived notions.

I apologize if that upsets you. This is an arena of ideas. I successfully refuted the idea that you were trying to put forward. Whether you understand or acknowledge is of no consequence whatsoever. This is not about you. It is about ideas.

Now that we have finished that building block, lets look at another building block of this same discussion.....you have seen no evidence that blacks commit more crimes? Have you looked at murder percentages by race?....would it help if I provided a link to that information or have you already seen it a thousand times and you are just trying to get cute by hiding behind some vaguery such as all crimes or perhaps something along the lines of "blacks just get convicted more often"? It is impossible to have a productive conversation with someone that refuses to acknowledge even the most basic tenets of a particular debate. It is not so much about "blacks commiting more crimes" than it is about higher rates of violent crime happening in distinctly black neighborhoods. We all instinctively know the most dangerous places to walk at night, and surely the 30 or even 50 most dangerous neighborhoods in this country are primarily black. If you are unwilling to stipulate the obvious it is a waste of time proceeding. One thing is for sure, the same neighborhoods where I would exercise extreme caution, are the EXACT same places where you would too. They are also the same neighborhoods where other blacks would exercise extreme caution. We all instinctively understand obvious danger. It is only behind the safety of your keyboard that you are going to sit here and pretend as if you are unaware of an increase in danger in various places.

It is intellectually lazy to frame this debate about skin color when in reality it is about inner city ghettos that happen to mainly involve people that happen to be black. When people argue about a dysfunctional culture, it is really about the inner city ghetto culture as opposed to black people that live almost everywhere else. When you look at charts and graphs that outline astronomically higher murder rates amongst blacks, that data is undeniably being driven by inner city ghettos that happen to be primarily black. When people point to astronomcally high illegitimacy rates, those numbers are being driven by these same areas as opposed to blacks that reside almost everywhere else. You see, blacks outside of the inner city ghettos have all learned how to succeed in this country, so your all encompassing "they are victims" mentality only applies to the much smaller percentage of black people that live in inner city ghettos. All of the others participate mostly equally in the American dream.

 

Since you titled it, “the big lie about police” and since you stated, “Unarmed black men being shot? 'HANDS UP DON'T SHOOT'? no epidemic at all. A myth. The real problem is homicides. This is the real epidemic.”
I assumed you were trivializing the situation and were not concerned and were saying that Police killing unarmed subjects was either unimportant or exaggerated or even a lie. Perhaps you should rephrase it so that others don’t make the same mistake I did.

 

Um tell us all the place or event you saw " crowds of White Supremacists ".
Did they have signs like BLM telling us they are WHITE SUPREMACIST.
Or maybe - White Supremacist - T-shirts.
You are being extremely disingenuous.In fact,it sounds downright dopey.
Something most informed Conservatives have come to expect from the
Frauds at The Southern Poverty Law Center.
Plus ... and this is important ... what Conservative or GOP member
said that " White people are somehow disadvantaged by Blacks having Rights. "
Yes,that is EXACTLY what Joe Biden's Segregationist buddies in the Senate
said on a regular basis.Plus of Course the entirety of Southern Democrats
for decades.Joe Biden lauded George Wallace in the 70's.

I think one will find that most of these Black criminals have a
definable attitude problem.A very belligerent problem.That I maintain
was groomed by their kin { Parents,relatives,friends }.Whereas most Whites
are taught by their parents to Obey the law and obey the cops.
They exist to maintain law and order.Where whites grow up believing
DO NOT RUN when a cop siren is heard or if told to Halt.
Blacks do the exact opposite.They Bolt.

 

So some of the progressives turn a blind eye to this. This THUG, Randon Wilkerson not only attacked an elderly couple but killed an officer by repeatedly smashing his head as officer laid unconscious. This is more appalling, brutal, vicious than what even derrick chauvin did. Goerge floyd resisted arrest, forced chauvin to apply force.. chauvin likley didn’t mean to kill floyd but ended up making a grave mistake. This THUG attacked elderly couple and then brutally INTENTIONALLY murdered a cop who went out there to help people in need.

but the progressives on this forum turn a blind eye and make excuses as to why randon willerson did what he did, that blacks were slaves hundreds of years ago and that is root cause. We should have compassion for randon wilkerson, it’s not his fault, his actions are a direct result of white oppression.
Disgusting, no wonder there is never progress in impoverished black communities which have been run by democrats for decades.

 

Twice as many Unarmed Whites are killed by cops each year than
Unarmed blacks.Black commit a majority of the homicides in the U.S.
Last FBI report had the number at 53 %.
53 % of Homicides are committed by blacks.
Blacks are half the population of whites.
Plus explain why Black Kids being gunned down
is barely reported.One earlier this month at a Chicago
McDonalds Drive-thru.A 7 year old black girl.Her father
was seriously wounded but survived.Their car was bullet ridden.
A year earlier in June a Black Man just released from jail shot
and killed a 7 year old in North Carolina.
Why wasn't that made a big deal over.
We know why.Because blacks kill other blacks and it's
like going to the park.That's why this Hyped big deal over
a Career Black Criminal { George Floyd } and why a black
AG { Keith Ellison } refused to show the police body cam videos.
Until weeks later.

 

Nice try, cleverly trying to saddle me with the “it’s in their genes” nonsense. Sorry, no. NOR do I ascribe it to Jim Crow or slavery.

 

So what is the point you are making here.

 

Blacks kill more blacks annually than all the whites in history combined. And racking up the black death count by 300,000 per year.

 

That the entire Point { existence } behind BlackLivesMatter is a
complete distraction.Plus we know of a group that comprise
Black Supremacist.It's The New Black Panther party.
They were caught Intimidating Voters at a Philly polling station.
Standing outside dressed in their funky military garb with
nightsticks.Yelling out orders to those entering and leaving.
That was in 2008.Of course Obama AG and " wingman " Eric Holder
who took over the Justice Dept. tried to excuse all that.
Then during the height of Trayvon Martin the New Black Panthers
went public offering a $ 10,ooo bounty for exposing where George
Zimmerman was staying.
We have The most Insane heinous comments from New Black Panther
members.:
" Kill All white men,Women,Babies,blind,cripple,
Lesbians, and Old crackers, ... Says' new Black Panther Vile
Radio Opening: " Then Dig Em Up & Kill 'em Again ".
-- Aug.2012 { weeks before the Obama Re-election }.

 

The reason may well be the Most Banned book in recent memory.
It told the God's honest truth on cultures and study habits and I.Q.'s.
Why the Asians lead our Country in Test scores { SAT's } and also
degrees.Because they are trained to Study.
And why Blacks are the worst in test scores and degrees.Because they
don't study hard.They fight studying just like they Fight Cops.
That Book ...
The Bell Curve { 1994 }

 

And they are treated violently by police seven to eight times more likely to be stopped and searched than whites, when there is no cause.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...-likely-than-whites-to-be-subjected-to-police
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ely-to-face-stop-and-search-than-white-people
https://abc7news.com/oakland-police-opd-racial-profiling-traffic-stops/6414305/
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...led-over-milwaukee-police-in-2019/3505904001/
https://abcnews.go.com/US/driving-black-abc-news-analysis-traffic-stops-reveals/story?id=72891419

Seven times more likely to be falsely convicted of murder.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/7/14834454/exoneration-innocence-prison-racism

Six times more likely to be killed by police.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/b...illed-by-police-harvard-study-says-2020-06-26

Anyway... I could go on and on... But... what for? You're just going to deny reality, right?

Maybe they commit more crimes, or maybe they commit just as many, but are less likely than whites to get away with it. Who knows... There is so much data that points to the latter that it's hard to tell...

As it relates to this thread, it doesn't matter. Assume that they do. But then you need to answer the question I asked (and you have ignored): WHY?

 

Read forum rules: links can be used to support a point. But not to make the point for you.

 

Your response was irrelevant because it did not take into account the context.

You wasted your time....

 

So you don't know. I'll take it!

 

Which is what I did. Thanks.

 

And according to a San Francisco study, they are eight times more likely to resist arrest.

Resisting arrest results in confrontation as I have said numerous times.

 

Still playing games, eh?

 

word of advice for you, do not waste your time debating with people who are lazy, ignore facts, use diversion tactics and frustrate you with straw mans. They have lost the debate from the start so resort to straw mans, red herrings, ad hominem and diversion tactics like ‘most blacks are not killers’ or ‘you are just bashing blacks’ or ‘it’s not their fault’.. none of this refutes the core argument in OP. It’s always the usual ones misbehaving. I try to stay clear of lazy debaters who resort to these tactics until they actually start addressing the core arguments and do their homework.

 

randon wilkerson attacked an elderly couple and bashed the head of a police officer repeatedly until cop died. This is a more heinous crime than what chauvin did. The left doesn’t demonize these people, we are told that it’s not their fault, it’s white oppression. The left makes excuses for these people and with calls to defund police, gives these people more freedom to commit these crimes. Amazing people wonder why cities with leftist leaders never improve. Just think in baltimore, whites were blamed yet i think mayor was black, police chief black..
Controlled by democrats. Somehow, white racists are to blame when the leadership are all Black and leftists.

 

You think it might just have a wee bit to do with their { Blacks } attitude.
They run at the first sign of a cop car.If Sirens are blasting they bolt
like Lightening.If they { Blacks } were sitting in Parochial school and being
taught by the Nuns,they wouldn't dare act that way.
Because Nuns wouldn't tolerate it.Where the Pastor { Priest of the Parish }
might be too good natured.How much good-naturedness do you feel the average
cop on the beat can muster on a daily basis.Cops are humans even though blacks
convince themselves otherwise.
Again ... Inner city Blacks have an attitude about Cops.I say it was learned.
Just like Black Females have 5 times the number of abortions than White
Females.These attitudes are learned.And tolerated by Liberal run Big city's
managed by Democrats { Mayors,city council and Governors }.
If the Big Apple { N.Y.city } is any example.
Look at the Big Apple today as opposed to when Rudy Giuliani was mayor.
Worlds apart.
And NOT for the better.
Git the drift ... Bub.

 

I'm trying to think of the proper word for this demonstrated attitude.
Unpeaceful.Belligerent to the point of being militant.
Meaning,in short ... in too many cases unwilling to reason with.
Like a Michael Brown or a George Floyd or even Trayvon Martin.
Or an Al Sharpton who visited Obama's White House more than
100 times.Sharpton was even allowed to advise as to the Replacement for
Eric Holder.
Here's a November 8,2014 headline :
- Al Sharpton Approves Obama Request to Nominate
Lynch for New Attorney General - { Andrew Lopata } Life & Entertainment

 

You are a waste of time, so I actually agree with this statement. I have indeed wasted my time.