You abortion promoters out there, how do you reconcile this with your uninformed opinion that a fetus is not a human being? A federal law recognizing the rights of the unborn child! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act "The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a child in utero as a legal victim, if he or she is injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".[1]"
The law can only exist with the unjustified attack, injury, or killing of a pregnant woman (which would also kill or harm the fetus). Women are still free to have their perfectly justified abortions alongside this law. This law has not once stopped women from freely choosing an abortion for themselves, so what's your point?
Read my last line. If a child in utero has rights as a person in any instance, it is only logical that he/she has them in all instances. You and all the other abortion promoting drones on this board keep going back to legality. Legality means nothing. If you worship at the feet of legality, then you think it was correct and moral to have legalized slavery when we had it. What about what is right and truly moral?
This law only applies when the woman has not given consent and firstly another crime has to be committed on the woman which leads to the death of the "child in utero", can you give me an example of someone being prosecuted for the death of a "child in utero" where the mother did not suffer death herself? I'd also like to see some proof of a person being convicted where the fetus was less that 20 weeks? Further more you should also have posted that the law also contains an explicit provision excepting abortion;
"Legality means nothing" .. hmm so if I shoot you it means nothing. for the time frame slavery was legal it was right and moral for those living in that time frame, just as it was during biblical times. Problem with using slavery as an example is that it works both ways, slavery was about controlling a born person, just as the pro-lifers want to do with pregnant women.
That is by far the weakest pro abortion argument I have ever heard, and I have heard them all. - - - Updated - - - Not surprisingly, you missed the point. It proves abortions are homicides, beyond any reasonable doubt.
not nearly as weak as yours, and I've heard all the anti-women arguments as well so even though that law states that abortion is not covered by it, it proves abortions are homicides .. what planet do you come from? any examples of the things I asked or are you just going to keep repeating the same mantra.
"If he or she is injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence''. Has nothing to do with abortion.
The only law the federal government should be making is to make interstate commerce illegal when a resident from one state where abortion is illegal attempts to seek an abortion in a different state. The federal government should also issue a resolution clarifying that the unborn (past a certain developmental stage) are to be considered persons for the purposes of the law.
Rand Paul's "Life At Conception" Act that he introduced had a line reading- "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require the prosecution of any woman for the death of her unborn child.” Okay....so that means his LACA....wouldn't effect women taking RU-486....right??? - - - Updated - - - And HOW...exactly....will the Federal Government determine that a pregnant woman left a state where abortion is illegal....went to another state where it is legal....and returned not pregnant???
The point is this....this law shows that our government is corrupt...our laws do not make sense. How can you on one hand say.... "United States law which recognizes a child in utero as a legal victim," and then say as long as you hire the killing done, its ok. How is one child a victim and another not a victim. Hypocritical to the highest degree. A life is a life....whether it dies by the hand of the woman and her abortionist or at the hand of someone else. And the thing is...you can't prove that the lives are not the same....
Gorn Captain And they would be allowed to do so. We are not required by the government to not be able to travel, or to move about the country. If pot is illegal in Arizona but legal in Colorado, can the person from Arizona smoke there? Sure they can. But if they return to Arizona, and get stopped say for a traffic violation...or DUI that would require a blood test...and the blood came back with the evidence of pot in it....they can be held liable. I know this to be true...know someone that had it happen to them. Certainly a woman can travel...so if she can afford it...this is what she would have to do if in her state abortion was illegal. The thing is not all women can travel across the country. If more and more states make abortion illegal...or put stiff restrictions on it......abortion will be harder to get.
Glad to see there is another thinking person here bable to see those points. Welcome. - - - Updated - - - Which would save thousands of lives!!!!
So glad to see another person here who won't take the bull...from the pro-abort side. Keep up the great work.
Agreed. They need to be rid of the Unborn Victims of Violence Act so it does not conflict with a woman's right to have an abortion. But it's such a touchy subject for both sides of the debate I don't know if we'll ever see any real solution in the end.
Would you care to provide evidence of a person convicted under this act where the woman has not been killed or suffered injury, the fact remains that this act only comes into force when there has been a crime committed against the woman .. homicide/murder is the unlawful killing of another, abortion is not unlawful so there for it is not a murder/homicide. as you cannot prove the opposite.
Well gee, then why haven't you been trying to enforce this Unborn Victims of Violence Act on women who have had abortions? Is it because you know any sane judge would throw it out? Yet here you are constantly bring up a law which makes the killing of a fetus illegal. Pot, kettle?
State by state abortion will become illegal. We will never be abortion free...but it will become harder to kill. One step at a time. Why is this touchy for you? LMAO You are pro-abortion....throughout nine months, right? You should be out trying to change law to make abortion legal the whole nine yards? Why don't you do this? You people say....well only a few women get late term abortions. WEll if it was legal...how do you know how many would kill in later terms...especially if they had an attitude about life as you do. LOL
I said it's touchy for both sides. I didn't say it was touchy for me. Please don't make this about ME. I am trying my best to keep my statements generalized so you and I don't get into our typical fits of personal attacks. I am. I frequently vote against anti-choice legislation and I do my best to educate those around me on how anti-abortion legislation affects all pregnant women, those who wish to keep their pregnancies and those who do not. They do, 1% of them for life-saving reasons, health of the mother, fetal abnormalities and rape. What is the pro-life obsession with third trimester abortions? Fixed some of your typos there. Just take a look at Canada and other places where there are absolutely no laws on abortion. How many women do you know of that just intentionally go through nine months of pregnancy only to go and just get an abortion before the moment they are due to give birth? Do you honestly believe a vast number of women do this? Also you know nothing about my views on life, nor my personal thoughts on anything but abortion and a few other political postings I make. Do not pretend to be a mind reader, remember, content of my posts, not what you think I believe. Try your best to not make assumptions about the character of the person you are talking to please.
On the contrary, it is the will of the people. It was actually enacted by a legislative body and voted into law. Abortion was made legal by some apparently drunk appointed judges.
You said they were drunk. So obviously there'd be an article about it somewhere. Being drunk while at work, especially legislators, is particularly scandalous if you ask me. That sort of stuff would be headline news.
WRONG AGAIN! I said they were apparently drunk. That is self evident in the nonsense they used to justify abortion homicdes.
