Final Arizona audit results show 20,000+ ballots with issues but they are not a smoking gun.

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  1. Matthewthf

    Matthewthf Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The ballot dumps were said to be in WI, MI and PA.

    There was a rumor of a 30,000 ballot dump in AZ but obviously no evidence came back to support that.
     
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    Well therein lies a problem. Since everyone used the same password on every machine, an admin password, it can’t be determined. Only one case they have video that corresponds to the erasure on a machine and that will be forwarded to the AG.

    Cybersecurity was an IT nightmare.
     
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    Evidence they were erased? Cyberninjas said that last time and said they were able to retrieve them. Why not this time? Did the Maricopa county republicans put the data in the shredder 2X to cover their tracks?
     
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    This is from military and college students. Yes, under law, they are still allowed to vote even though they have moved out of the state for work or school. People are still allowed to move within the county during an election month. Shocking isn't it?

    They compared people with the same first and last name, and birth year in different counties. Having the same name and birth year is fraud to you?

    This is false. Cyber ninjas misinterpreted how data is stored. Each time a ballot is sent out, a record is created. If the ballot is returned with any issues such as unsigned envelope or signature discrepancy, another case is created. So if person A receives a ballot, sends in an unsigned ballot prompting the county to contact them, two cases our made even though 1 ballot is counted.

    Damaged ballots get duplicated. This isn't anything new. Were the duplicated ballots included in the count? No they weren't. Here is what the MSM won't tell you which is coming straight from cyber ninjas.

    As you can see, they didn't count the duplicate ballots and their count was right in line with the counties, which means the county didn't count them either.

    It's important to remember that the original claims like ballots dumps, running ballots through machines 100X, sharpie gate and dead people voting were completely disproven.
     
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    The published results are meaningless. No fraud, no indictments....nothing.
     
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    So as we all already knew......no fraud, no indictments........nothing.
     
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    So nothing. No fraud, no indictments........nothing.

    Color me shocked.
     
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    But the report says little to nothing about that.
    But yes. Fraud is fraud. Just stop making up fake fraud in 2020.
     
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    Erasing hundreds of folders and tens of thousands of files illegally isn’t a problem? Liberal logic 101.
     
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    I get the logic now!

    If someone shoots and kills you but the shooter is never caught and prosecuted then you were never really were shot.

    That’s the left wing illogic used to defend wrongdoing.
     
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    I guess I'm unclear by what you mean "widespread"? Why would an election that turned on less than the number of votes you cited as being questionable not be a win for the audit? You are probably correct that because the results have already been certified that AZ's ballot is a closed issue legally. It still doesn't change the facts. What you've identified above are several different forms of felonies. You understand that, right?
     
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    I agree those are felonies if true and it was a win for the audit if true. Hopefully they can be fixed if true.
     
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    Facts not in evidence and if a student or someone in the military or ANYONE votes twice those are fraudulent votes. Prove these are all damaged ballots and how did they get duplicate and by whom. Their count is ONLY concerned with did the numbers the machines counted match the hand count audit nor the veracity of the vote. Like a business audit, it only shows there was a problem then you figure out what caused it.

    What Arizona Audit Really Shows—and Why Election Officials Should Be Embarrassed

    Critics of the forensic audit of Maricopa County, Arizona—including local election officials and many reporters—who are crowing that the audit confirms that President Joe Biden won the election in Arizona, either don’t understand the purpose of an audit or are trying to deliberately obscure the most worrying findings in the audit.

    In fact, by concentrating on only one finding—that the hand recount essentially matched the machine count from last November—they are missing the forest for the trees.....

    ..As a former county election official in two different states, I was involved in multiple recounts. Recounts almost always only show slight differences from the original ballot tabulation. The fact that the hand recount in Maricopa County matched the machine recount simply means that the computer scanners used to scan and tabulate paper ballots were working properly.


    However, the key point all of the critics of the audit are missing is that a recount simply recounts the ballots that were cast—a recount does not investigate, examine, or review the legitimacy of those ballots....

    ...A recount does not verify or check whether ballots were cast by registered voters who are actually deceased; who do not actually live where they claim to live; who cast multiple votes because they are registered more than once; or who are not entitled to vote even though they are registered because they are not U.S. citizens or are felons who have not yet had their right to vote restored....

    ...Volume III of the Maricopa audit lists some disturbing findings. That includes 23,344 “mail-in ballots voted from a prior address”; 9,041 “more ballots returned by voter than received”; 5,295 “voters that potentially voted in multiple counties”; 2,592 “more duplicates than original ballots”; and 2,382 “in-person voters who had moved out of Maricopa County.”

    Numerous other problems are listed, such as voters whose ballots were counted despite the fact that they registered to vote after the state deadline for registration had already passed.

    These are serious potential problems that should be investigated by election officials with the involvement of law enforcement. For example, the individual voter files of the 5,295 “voters that potentially voted in multiple counties” should be pulled, and each voter should be investigated to determine if they have multiple registrations and, in fact, illegally cast more than one vote in the 2020 election...

    ...What is most disturbing about the reaction to the audit report is that so many seem to think that this is the end of the review process since the hand recount showed that Biden won and, thus, nothing else needs to be done. This attitude is especially disturbing in Maricopa County election officials, who from the very start have done everything they could to obstruct the audit and who are now claiming that since their “canvass” was accurate, they don’t need to do anything else.

    That attitude is wrong. The audit seems to have revealed that sloppy, careless, and chaotic procedures were utilized in Maricopa County during the last election. Officials there have a duty to not only investigate all of the potential problems the audit found, such as potential multiple registrations by the same individual, but to correct their procedures and implement better training for their election workers to ensure that such problems, if confirmed, do not happen again...

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/09...9qaa4lluOqv7GolmEwuXmfDcM8rkEVzZxROdhswzYlyP4





     
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    Duplicate ballots are fraud. Voting twice is fraud. Voting outside your district or in multiples is fraud. Fraud occurred in 2020 are you claiming that is a false statement that NO fraud occurred?
     
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    The Loser seems hellbent on losing, losing, losing.


    Trump's goons attacking Congress because they swallowed his "Big Lie" - his fake claim that he won in a "Landslide" despite losing dozens of court challenges, recounts, audits, and his failure to pressure election officials to "find him more votes!" - only meant that his losing streak had just gotten started.

    Before Arizona's Big Bamboozle caper, Trump had blown $3 million to get Wisconsin to also add to the President's margin of victory.


    Will the ineffectual sniveling persist? Of course!

    Conspiracy theorists pushing misinformation about the 2020 elections took their allegations to Idaho, and Idaho officials pushed right back.

    ... Secretary of State Lawrence Wasden’s (R) office said late Wednesday they had visited two counties to conduct a hand recount of last year’s presidential contest after hearing from readers of a website linked to MyPillow chief executive Mike Lindell, widely discredited for spreading easily disprovable misinformation in recent months.

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    Wasden’s office said it received allegations, in the form of screenshots of a report published on Lindell’s site, that vote tallies in all 44 of Idaho’s counties showed evidence of “electronic manipulation.”

    The only problem: At least seven of Idaho’s 44 counties do not use any electronic steps in their vote-counting process,
    making the claims impossible.
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    The debunked claims are the latest in a series of allegations Lindell or his allies have made about the 2020 elections that have come apart under even the most basic scrutiny.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...ists-smacked-down-by-idaho-secretary-of-state
    November 3 was quite enough for most, but I don't think diehard Trump worshippers will ever get sick of it.

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    “We’re going to lose so much, you’re
    going to be so sick and tired of losing!”



     
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    Which folders? Which files?
    Was there a lawsuit? Evidence presented to any Court of Law in our Country? Anything at all? Bueller? Bueller?
     
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    The difference being of course there is clear evidence of someone being shot. Someone saying files & folders were wiped out with nary a shred of proof is horseshit. Any Court of Law will tell you the exact same thing.
     
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    So you are letting me know you know nothing about the audit.
     
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    Where did that happen?
    Who is being investigated?
    Link to actual double voters?

    Not all those cases are fraud.
    Trump voted outside his district and mailed in his vote from FL to NY in 2017, 18
     
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    Go read the full report for yourself. This is just the audit, read my previous cite.
     
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    No. He seems to be letting you know nothing about the audit. As you are making up things about it
     
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    You read the report?

    How many times is the word fraud used in it.
    Provide some links to those fraud claims.

    You cited nothing.
    You regurgitated a bunch of numbers.
     
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    Thanks for proving you know nothing about it also.
     
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    That’s why the AG should investigate.
     

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