For a person to believe in any god, without proof of his goodness, would not be the best thinking or

The result would be worse.

 

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Obviously, God has sent the OP [among others] a "strong delusion"
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If you are honestly able to choose what (if any) conception of God you believe in, then you have greater powers of self deception than I.

I don't choose what to believe on this matter. I am compelled by the evidence (or lack thereof) as I see it. I also can not choose to believe in other things I see no evidence for, or see evidence against, ranging from Vishnu to Santa to ghosts.

But if I did see convincing evidence that a bad god existed, I would be compelled to believe on that bad god. I would also feel morally obligated to oppose said God, if I could be so bold.

Edit to above 3 paragraphs: Ah, I see Swensson has beaten me to this observation.

Says who? Why can't a God be evil or neutral?

Why would an idol worshipper give up more free will than any other God worshiper?

 

The OP is asks about what would be the "best thinking or choice". The fact that people can do thinking poorly doesn't seem to be the topic.

 

So?

Your title and beginning of your OP talks about "believing in" a god, which seems to be about existence, not about any "worthiness to lead us". The OP continues and talks more about "godliness", which has more to do with what makes something a god. This too seems to be a different question than any "worthiness". You have provided no reason to link "worthiness to lead us" to any of the things I'm objecting to.

 

I was commenting on your statement: "I say believing in any god is justified with proof of their existence." Therefore no belief in a god is justified per your statement.

That is the core message of all religions, yet you seem to hold them to a higher standard than the OT god who did some terrible things.

 

"He who laughs first will laugh last" - Good luck when what you print will be brought up at the Judgment Seat.

 

A typical rant of the ungodly to show how immoral they can be. A rant of a fool who talks to himself.

 

Wait. Are there "just causes" for discrimination? By definition, it's unjust.

Further, how are you connecting the dots between "people who think stupidly" and "not caring about one's fellow man"?

 

Not likely greater, but the same, in the issues we will ever likely discuss.

I see you as a free thinker and Gnostic in all but name.

Let me preach.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation and “I am”, represents the best rules and laws that we have found to live by.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.


Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.


The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

Regards
DL

 

Greatest I am, so you see "Jesus" as similar to the Buddha, in that he may or may not have been a real historical person, but it doesn't matter because its the philosophy attached that is the whole point and not the man? If so, I definitely see that as more rational than other forms of Christianity.

 

If I could answer why so many right wingers held their moral noses, --- publicly, --- and voted Trump, this Canadian would be your next President.

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DL

 

Yes.

What is important in all wisdom sayings is not who said it' it is what is said.

I think that the Jesus good man archetype was from plucked from Chrestianity and turned into a Jesus messiah, that the Jews never acknowledge or followed.

To follow that messiah Jesus, the Jews would be going completely against what Jesus would have taught as a Rabbi. Punish the guilty and not the innocent.

No innocent sacrifices allowed.

Jesus disavows himself.

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DL






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Come back when you learn English.

If you are correct, then I guess that the fact that every law you follow, a compulsion to discriminate negatively against some sub-group in your society, is evil.

I like to discriminate against rapists and murderers. Don't you?

I do not see that as evil.

I said that there was no just cause to discriminate against gays and women or do as religions do and preach against their equality.

If you know of any, let us all know.

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DL

 

Jesus and his pending Armageddon is not any better.

We should all increase our standards of excellence and send the genocidal gods to the hell they belong in.

Shame on good people, --- for letting Christianity die so slowly, --- when it is still hurting so many.

My Kingdom to speed up that death.

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DL

 

This type of stupid reply and your other fuzziness is why you and I do not chat more.

Take the time, or take off.

Regards
DL

 

IMO.
As long as the garbage ends in the dump ASAP.

They continue their ****.

What could be worse than the right wings institutionalized homophobia and misogyny, world numbers wise?

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DL

 

Well, isn't it convenient that you decide what's stupid and what isn't, and unless you want to address it, you simply ignore it?

I challenged you on the points on what makes something justify belief in a God, and on what makes something a god. You replied with some unrelated stuff about some "worthiness to lead us". My objections to your assertions of "godliness" and "best thinking" (when it comes to justification of belief) stand.

 

Ah, so this is about politics and not religion.

 

So you think homophobia and misogyny are politically led.

Only to the stupid will ignore the history that shows otherwise.

Secular preaches equality while religions preach inequality.

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DL

 

The op is bait. He doesn't really want to discuss anything. He wants to preach.

 

Hegemonic leftist atheist rule.

That "religion" has killed more than any other, ever. All within 100 years.

 

As compared to9 the 5,000 years of war history provided by the religious, who were the great majority, given their inquisitions and jihads that murdered the non-believers.

I cannot believe that anyone is stupid enough to compare the numbers of religious murders and non-religious murders, when the religious murders are greater.

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DL

 

The numbers of the non-religious murders are exponentially greater.
Greater than any religious slaughter ever.

 

Liar.

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DL