From the Founder of Planned Parenthood

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  1. stretch351c

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    On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
    "...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people
    On sterilization & racial purification:
    Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

    On the right of married couples to bear children:
    Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932

    On the purpose of birth control:
    The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

    On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:
    "More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

    On religious convictions regarding sex outside of marriage:
    "This book aims to answer the needs expressed in thousands on thousands of letters to me in the solution of marriage problems... Knowledge of sex truths frankly and plainly presented cannot possibly injure healthy, normal, young minds. Concealment, suppression, futile attempts to veil the unveilable - these work injury, as they seldom succeed and only render those who indulge in them ridiculous. For myself, I have full confidence in the cleanliness, the open-mindedness, the promise of the younger generation." Margaret Sanger, Happiness in Marriage (Bretano's, New York, 1927)

    On the extermination of blacks:
    "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

    On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:
    In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107

    On adultery:
    A woman's physical satisfaction was more important than any marriage vow, Sanger believed. Birth Control in America, p. 11

    On marital sex:
    "The marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order," Sanger said. (p. 23) [Quite the opposite of God's view on the matter: "Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled; but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Hebrews 13:4)

    On abortion:
    "Criminal' abortions arise from a perverted sex relationship under the stress of economic necessity, and their greatest frequency is among married women." The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3.

    On the YMCA and YWCA:
    "...brothels of the Spirit and morgues of Freedom!"), The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3.

    On the Catholic Church's view of contraception:
    "...enforce SUBJUGATION by TURNING WOMAN INTO A MERE INCUBATOR." The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3.

    On motherhood:
    "I cannot refrain from saying that women must come to recognize there is some function of womanhood other than being a child-bearing machine." What Every Girl Should Know, by Margaret Sanger (Max Maisel, Publisher, 1915) [Jesus said: "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep... for your children. For, behold, the days are coming, in which they shall say, Blessed (happy) are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the breasts which never gave suck." (Luke 23:24)]



    "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

    http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm
     
  2. WhatNow!?

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    These cherry picked out of context quotes have alreayd been disproven many times....check one of all these abortion threads...

    That said, did you know Sanger has been dead for many years?

    If you REALLY like to educate yourself visit a PP clinic , be brave, have a backbone, walk right in and ask...ask the people who are running it now.....some of whom may not have even heard of Sanger.


    And it doesn't matter anyway....abortion is legal. The End.
     
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    Just because it's legal, doesn't make it right. Of course people could simply keep their clothes on and avoid the problem, now couldn't they?
     
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    They haven't since the beginning....what human nature would change now?

    It's legal, it's right, if you don't want one keep your clothes on....;)
     
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    I can see where is leading so I'll just say,Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you.
     
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    I agree. I just think the solution should be some form of compulsory sterilization. (perhaps on women who have had more than two abortions)

    Abortion is just not fair to those little human lives.
     
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    So? Everyone was racist back then.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    how about castrating all men who have had more than one child with different women they weren't married to as well

    Life isn't fair, Nature isn't fair, have you only just realised this?
     
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    and so you take the personal opinions of one person to mean what exactly .. maybe I should do the same with Saint Paul

    By your reckoning of a single persons opinion making all the same, All Christians are misogynists
     
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    Since I'm not a Christian, your comment is irrelevant in that context . As for your comment about one person's opinion making all the same, isn't that what many on both sides do all the time? I simply posted the quotes of the Founder of Planned Parenthood.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Well I'm not one of the many .. I base my responses on the comments the individual makes to me.

    and what, may one ask, is the purpose of "simply" posting the quotes?
     
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    To start a debate of the issue. And to encourage people to think and look into their beliefs in a new light.
     
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    Kranes56 Banned

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    I don't know about some people, but I've already known about this. This isn't the first time I had to think about this, and nothing changes even so.
     
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    I'm sure you speak for many on both sides of the issue, but never the less, some may.
     
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    Of course.
     
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    Sure, if the man was pressuring the woman he impregnated to get an abortion. However, whether it is fair or not, under current law only women are given the choice about whether or not to abort their unborn child, so it can only be women who should be sterilized for deciding to abort.

    In an ideal world, both the woman and the man would have to give their approval for the abortion, and then we could sterilize the man too, for giving his consent more than two times.

    Besides, courts have already ordered men sterilized in some cases for refusing to pay child support:
    http://www.redorbit.com/news/oddities/56869/deadbeat_dads_offered_jail_or_vasectomy/
    http://www.fox11online.com/dpp/news...ildren-until-he-shows-he-can-provide-for-them

    A woman can go around and have unprotected sex with as many people as she wishes, and never have to worry about paying child support. Whereas if a man tried to do the same thing, he has no way of being sure that the fetuses he brought into existence will all be aborted. I say it's time for gender equality! Women should be liable to sterilization too for their sexual decisions.
     
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    Personally I don't think the position of an individual will make me change my beliefs. I spent a lot of time researching before coming to my position.

    what is the issue - one of the founders of PP was an alleged racist, so what? (I don't mean that in a derogatory way to wards you) it doesn't change the fact that IMO she helped create a very worth while organisation, that has helped huge number of women (& not just for abortions either). Exactly the same could be said for St. Paul, he may well have been a misogynist, but he helped set up an organisation that has helped millions over the years.
     
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    Whether she is being pressurized or not is irrelevant isn't it, he is going around just impregnating women with no thought to the consequences, probably giving out the usual "I love you", "yes I'll always be here" BS just so he can get his leg over.

    In an ideal world both men and women could have a 100% safe contraception so there would be no need for sterilzation .. yet we do not live in an ideal world

    Courts haven't "ordered" anything, they gave the men the choice . .you know that thing you want to remove from the women, if the courts were to have "ordered" it, the men wouldn't have been able to choose to go to jail if they preferred . and I can just see you and a load of others "protesting" at the rights of the man being removed.
     
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    Ok, now look at it in the context of the policies put in place since the early 60's. The black family structure was every bit as cohesive as the white family in the 50's, if not more so. Yet, despite all those policies and all the oration of politicians and self ordained black "leaders" the death rate among blacks is much higher than that of a similar demographic group of other races in this country. Especially among young people. A wise person once told me that sometimes you have to step outside what you believe and take a look back inside.
     
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    The black family structure very well may have been as cohesive as the white family .. however the black family cohesion into the white family society was far from it .. though I don't actually see what this has to do with the OP
     
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    Reread my last sentence.
     
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    Are you saying I should be looking more at what this person said and applying it to what PP do now?
    Are you saying that PP was set up to achieve these goals?

    Sorry I'm probably being a bit dim, but I really don't see what you are trying to get at.
     
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    Look at what was said and compare it to what is happening in the black community. Not all plans are overt. Especially if they are long range and meant to be kept from general knowledge. Is it happening? I don't say that , but it must be considered
     
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    Well, they are, aren't they?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Which has nothing to do with PP today....
     
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    Sanger didn't think in terms of racism. Her goal was to try to limit the births of the 'feeble-minded' and it just so-happened that the greatest population explosion at that time was among blacks. They had kid after kid until a lot of kids were living in squalor.

    Sanger took this to mean they were limited intellectually. Then she made the leap to eugenics. A way of limiting the population of unwanted human beings. To this end she gathered black preachers together to urge them to send out the message of birth control out in their Sunday sermons which most blacks attended. She knew that to most blacks, preachers were the most trusted (or feared) in the community and besides they had the 'megahorn.'

    Really a story of good intentions gone terribly evil.
     

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