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  1. Lee Atwater

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    You mean the data the vast majority of climate scientists use to prove the existence of climate change? That data?
     
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    The claims in your #597 actually have nothing to do with climate change attribution science.
     
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    Deflection noted.
     
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    No. You have that backwards. Your post made claims, none of which relate to the science of climate change. Then you defended those claims by citing a supposed consensus about climate change.
     
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    Conditions are improving.
    Thank Global Warming for Record Lack of Tornadoes – But Some Still Occur
    TORNADOES DECEMBER 13, 2021

    The Biden administration and climate activists are blaming global warming for the tragic and deadly tornado outbreak this weekend. In reality, objective scientific data show tornadoes – and especially violent and deadly tornadoes – are becoming much less frequent and severe as the Earth modestly warms. Global warming won’t make all strong tornadoes disappear, but it is nonsensical and unethical to blame global warming for the few tornadoes that still occur, when strong tornadoes become increasingly rare as the Earth modestly warms.

    The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has been keeping track of tornadoes since the mid-1950s. As shown in the NOAA-created charts below, there has been no increase in the overall number of tornadoes as the planet modestly warms, despite new radar technology that allows us to spot tornadoes that we previously could not spot. More importantly, there has bee a dramatic decline in strong, deadly tornadoes as the climate warms.

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    Advocacy from an advocacy site. No surprise here.
    1. Smear job by "The Carbon Brief"
      2011 › 05 › 14 › smear-job-by-the-carbon-brief
      its name reveals, Carbon Brief's entire raison d’etre hinges on the notion that carbon dioxide is a harmful ... attacked in the Carbon Brief article are not "linked to" [funded by] ExxonMobil. The Carbon Brief and any other
      article on The Carbon Brief claimed that “a preliminary data analysis by the Carbon Brief has revealed
    2. The Carbon Brief - The European rapid response team
      2011 › 02 › 18 › the-carbon-brief-the-european-rapid-response-team
      scientists to get their opinions" - The Carbon Brief ... The Carbon Brief appears to have been set up for the ... is running the Carbon Brief ... From the website, the key team members are: Carbon Brief's Director, Tom
     
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    THE CLIMATE DENIAL MACHINE: HOW THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY BLOCKS CLIMATE ACTION.
    https://www.climaterealityproject.o...ow-fossil-fuel-industry-blocks-climate-action
     
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    Ah yes, another advocacy site, this one founded by Al Gore. Unfortunately for their propaganda claim, the record is clear that Exxon published all their findings and/or shared them with the IPCC.
    The "Exxon Climate Papers" show what Exxon and climate science knew and shared
    2016 › 04 › 20 › the-exxon-climate-papers-show-what-exxon-and-climate-science-knew-and-shared
    Exxon position paper on the Greenhouse Effect ... This is a 1980 letter to the Exxon Board of ... Exxon Climate modeling, 1982 ... The Exxon model was an exercise to check
     
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    Another blog from a weatherman.

    The Snows of Kilimanjaro are no longer
    https://economarks.com/the-snows-of-kilimanjaro-are-no-longer/
     
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    Your link conveys, simply put, a lie. From my link in #613:
    ". . . Abundant snow atop Kilimanjaro is nothing unusual. Not only does snow still fall atop Kilimanjaro, the mountain has had snow cover every single day since Gore made his movie. In fact, so much snow fell in 2018 that there were record increases in snow depth on the mountain.

    The author of the Just Kilimanjaro website recently reported that the entire mountain peak is covered with snow:

    “The writer of this article observed during this week’s flight closer to the mountain, recovering snow piled up, covering the whole mountain peak.”. . . ."

    And btw, I have climbed Kilimanjaro.
     
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    A NASA SCIENTIST EXPLAINS WHY THE WEATHER IS BECOMING MORE EXTREME
    We’re headed into ‘uncharted territory’
    https://www.theverge.com/22617371/extreme-weather-science-attribution-un-report-climate-change

    New report reveals how the climate crisis is supercharging extreme weather
    https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/9/22613531/climate-change-united-nations-report-extreme-weather-ipcc
     
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    Tornadoes are down, and there's been no increase in flooding, to take only two examples.
     
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    2021’s Climate Disasters Revealed An East-West Divide

    Alongside a lingering global pandemic, the year 2021 was filled with climate disasters, some so intense they surprised even the scientists who study them.

    Extreme rainstorms turned to raging flash floods that swept through mountain towns in Europe, killing over 200 people. Across Asia, excessive rainfall inundated wide areas and flooded subway stations in China. Heat waves shattered records in the Pacific Northwest, Europe and the Arctic. Wildfires swept through communities in California, Canada, Greece and Australia. And those were only a few of the extremes.

    In the U.S. alone, damage from the biggest climate and weather disasters is expected to total well over US$100 billion in 2021.

    Many of these extreme weather events have been linked to human-caused climate change, and they offer a glimpse of what to expect in a rapidly warming world.

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/2021s-climate-disasters-revealed-an-east-west-divide

    https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/billions/time-series

    Records crumble in Europe, Russia amid scorching heat wave

    As temperatures approach 115 degrees in the Pacific Northwest this weekend, a second regime of top-tier heat will scorch Europe amid a record-breaking heat wave. Monthly records have already fallen as highs climb to near 100 degrees in some areas, with temperatures in the Arctic Circle spiking close to 90.

    Moscow and St. Petersburg soared to their highest June temperature on record Wednesday, reaching the mid-90s, while Estonia and Belarus established new all-time highs for the month this week. On Thursday, Hungary and Malta also set new June temperature records, hitting 104 degrees and 104.3 degrees.

    Highs some 20 degrees or more above average currently wrap across central and Eastern Europe, with the greatest anomalies centered on Scandinavia and parts of western Russia. A second lobe of intense heat is parked over eastern Russia along the shores of the East Siberian Sea.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/06/24/june-heat-wave-europe-russia/
     
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    The claimed links to climate change have no basis in science.
     
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    That's a bit rich given the quackery you rely on. This (below) comes from NOAA........https://sciencecouncil.noaa.gov/Scientific-Integrity-Commons/SIC-About

    During the first nine months of 2021, there have been 18 separate billion-dollar weather and climate disaster events across the United States. The disaster costs for the first nine months of 2021 are $104.8 billion, already surpassing the disaster costs for all of 2020 ($100.2 billion, inflation-adjusted to 2021 dollars). The total costs for the last five years ($691.7 billion) is nearly one-third of the disaster cost total of the last 42-years (1980-2021), which is $2.085 trillion (inflation-adjusted to 2021 dollars). This reflects a 5-year cost average of nearly $140.0 billion/year — a new record — as shown above by the black line.

    2021 is off to a record pace for number of events during the first nine months of any year. 2021 also follows the year 2020 that set the new annual record of 22 events - shattering the previous annual record of 16 events that occurred in 2011 and 2017. 2021 is the seventh consecutive year (2015-2021) in which 10 or more billion-dollar weather and climate disaster events have impacted the United States. Over the last 42 years (1980-2021), the years with 10 or more separate billion-dollar disaster events include 1998, 2008, 2011-2013, and 2015-2021.


    Merry Christmas, Jack.
     
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    The data are the data. They contradict the hype.
    Dr Roger Pielke, Jr -What does IPCC AR6 say on Scenarios and Extreme Weather?
    2021 › 10 › 28 › dr-roger-pielke-jr-what-does-ipcc-ar6-say-on-scenarios-and-extreme-weather
    very helpfully gone through a large list of extreme‐weather phenomena in the detailed AR6 Report. Their ... Roger Pielke, Jr. describes himself as an “undisciplined professor”

    "Abstract: In his lecture, Roger will give valuable insights on the recently‐released IPCC WG1 AR6 Report; describing it as a “code red for humanity” was not only wrong, it was irresponsible. Instead of apocalyptic warnings about “immediate risk” a top line message of this report should be: The Extreme Scenario that IPCC Saw as Most Likely in 2013 is Now Judged Low Likelihood, an incredible change in such a short time since the AR5 Report, which has not been highlighted by the media. Roger will also show that the IPCC has systematically and very helpfully gone through a large list of extreme‐weather phenomena in the detailed AR6 Report. Their results are quite surprising: floods, hurricanes, tropical cyclones, meteorological and hydrological droughts are not more frequent. Nor are tornadoes, hail, lightning or strong winds more frequent. However heatwaves are more frequent, as is extreme precipitation, and there are two other types of drought, namely agricultural and ecological drought, which have increased. It is very appealing, even seductive, for activists and the media to latch on to extreme events (as inaccurately summarized in the SPM), but at some point we have to say that objective science and its communication matters on this issue. This is a lecture and discussion of wide interest and is highly relevant in the lead‐up to COP26."
     
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    Exxon published and/or shared with the IPCC all their research results. Statements of uncertainty merely mirrored the IPCC's own language.
    The "Exxon Climate Papers" show what Exxon and climate science knew and shared
    2016 › 04 › 20 › the-exxon-climate-papers-show-what-exxon-and-climate-science-knew-and-shared
    separate what is being said by the writer and what he is reporting from outside research. Exxon (and later ... legislation may be passed that will affect Exxon. He argues that Exxon should do their own environmental research
     

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