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  1. Lee Atwater

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    Few industries in Colorado are experiencing the effects of climate change more than the once-robust ski industry, which experts say could fall victim in coming decades to rising temperatures, extreme drought and huge wildfires.

    Home to some of the most iconic names in world-class downhill skiing — such as Vail, Aspen and Snowmass — Colorado collects $5 billion a year in revenue from the outdoor sport. But many wonder whether the industry can withstand its greatest challenge.

    Denver, which lies at the foot of the Rockies, blew away records this year when measurable snow didn’t fall until Dec. 10, making for 232 straight days with no snow. Pitkin County, home to Aspen and Snowmass, had 30 more frost-free days this year than in 1980. And warming temperatures, even at night, prevent early snowmaking, which is essential to a profitable holiday season.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...t-giant-wildfires-batter-colorado-sk-rcna7917
     
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    There is plenty of snow in Colorado.
    Colorado Snow Report | OnTheSnow
    https://www.onthesnow.com › colorado › skireport


    See latest Colorado ski conditions, updated daily with snowfall totals, snow depths, open lifts & terrain for all ski resorts in Colorado.
     
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    Given the ongoing war for American democracy and the deadly toll of the Covid pandemic, the loss of an ice shelf on a far-away continent populated by penguins might not seem to be big news. But in fact, the West Antarctic ice sheet is one of the most important tipping points in the Earth’s climate system. If Thwaites Glacier collapses, it opens the door for the rest of the West Antarctic ice sheet to slide into the sea. Globally, 250 million people live within three feet of high tide lines. Ten feet of sea level rise would be a world-bending catastrophe. It’s not only goodbye Miami, but goodbye to virtually every low-lying coastal city in the world.

    But predicting the breakup of ice sheets and the implications for future sea level rise is fraught with uncertainty. Depending on various emissions scenarios in the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, we could have as little as one foot of sea level rise by the end of the century, or nearly six feet of sea level rise (of course, rising seas won’t stop in 2100, but that date has become a common benchmark). “The difference between those [models] is a lot of lives and money,” says Richard Alley, a glaciologist at Penn State University and one of the great ice scientists of our time. Alley adds: “The most likely place to generate [the worst scenario] is Thwaites.”

    Or to put it more urgently: “If there is going to be a climate catastrophe,” Ohio State glaciologist Ian Howat once told me, “it’s probably going to start at Thwaites.”

    https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...r-thwaites-antarctica-climate-crisis-1273841/

    Alaskan glaciers melting 100 times faster than previously thought

    A new way of measuring how some glaciers melt below the surface of the water has uncovered a surprising realization: Some glaciers are melting a hundred times faster than scientists thought they were.

    In a new study published today in Science, a team of oceanographers and glaciologists unpeeled a new layer of understanding of tidewater glaciers—glaciers that end in the ocean—and their dynamic processes.

    “They’ve really discovered that the melt that’s happening is fairly dramatically different from some of the assumptions we’ve had,” says Twila Moon, a glaciologist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the University of Colorado-Boulder who was uninvolved with the study.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...aciers-melting-faster-than-previously-thought
     
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    If you'd like to pass that comforting news on to my friend and his wife (our wives taught school together) who lost their home in Louisville because of the wildfires I'm sure they'd love to hear it. What you don't know about CO weather is a lot. Cuz while the mountains recently had quite a lot of snow (as you know your post doesn't represent the long term trend), here in the metro Denver area........

    Denver still hasn’t seen snow this fall. That’s a record.

    The Mile High City has been a mile-high dry city as of late, with an ongoing drought prolonging fire season as Denverites await their first snow of the season. Through Sunday, no measurable snow had fallen this fall, matching a record for the latest into the season on record. That record will be broken once Monday is over. Measurable snow hasn’t fallen in Denver since April 21, a 215-day stretch, which is also nearing a record.

    Wednesday features the only chance of snow in the next week and is a long shot. Most days this week are forecast to be quite mild. Highs some 10 to 15 degrees above average are expected Monday and Tuesday and again Friday into the weekend. “Conditions will be conducive to the rapid spread of new fires,” wrote the National Weather Service.

    Once the clock strikes midnight Tuesday, Denver will have broken the record for the deepest stretch into fall without any measurable snowfall, defined as at least a tenth of an inch. “And that is since 1882,” said David Barjenbruch, a meteorologist at the National Weather Service in Boulder, on a phone call. “The previous record was Nov. 21, 1934, so officially today we’re still tied, but we’re going to break that thing at midnight.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/11/22/denver-snow-record-dry/
     
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    Sorry for their loss, but snow in Denver is not important.
     
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    The fire in 2021 had so much fuel because the snowfall in 2020 was so heavy.
    Marshall Fire
    Posted on December 31, 2021 by tonyheller
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    Four years ago I filmed these Coopers Hawk chicks hatch and grow along Coal Creek in Louisville, C0. It is likely that their nest burned up today.

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    Evacuation Area for Marshall Fire – Boulder OEM

    The winter of 2020 was the snowiest on record in Boulder, and this past summer was the greenest I have ever seen the Front Range – after a long wet winter. The grass was very tall as a result.

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    Even when announcing contrary evidence, some alarmists can't resist propagandizing.
    Germany Drought Ends. 2021 Was “An Average Weather Year,” Reports German DWD Weather Service…0.2°C Cooler
    By P Gosselin on 31. December 2021

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    Germany 2021 – “an average weather year”
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    Despite drought-ending wet periods, Germany saw “an average weather year” in 2021, says the German DWD National Weather Service. Photo: P. Gosselin

    “Quite average”

    Offenbach, Germany, 30 December 2021 – The weather year 2021 was quite average in Germany overall, says. Tobias Fuchs, Climate Director of the German Meteorological Service (DWD): “Our assessment of the year 2021 is mixed. There were no new temperature records in Germany and sufficient precipitation for almost all of Germany. This meant that our forests in particular were able to recover somewhat from the drought of the previous three years.

    But Fuchs also claimed that “the worst flood disaster in decades” occurring in July was the consequence of climate change. “Weather extremes can affect each and every one of us. If you protect the climate, you protect yourself,” says Fuchs in the DWD press release. . . .
     
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    Wildfires Are Intensifying. Here’s Why, and What Can Be Done.

    By nearly every metric, the wildfires in the Western United States are worsening. They are growing larger, spreading faster and reaching higher, scaling mountain elevations that previously were too wet and cool to have supported fires this fierce.

    They are also getting more intense, killing a greater number of trees and eliminating entire patches of forest.

    “Ten years ago, we weren’t really seeing fires move like that,” said Lenya Quinn-Davidson, a fire adviser for the University of California Cooperative Extension, referring to 2021’s Bootleg Fire, which began July 6 and at one point consumed more than fifty thousand acres in a single day.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/16/climate/wildfires-smoke-safety-questions.html
     
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    Projected climate change impacts on skiing and snowmobiling: A case study of the United States

    We use a physically-based water and energy balance model to simulate natural snow accumulation at 247 winter recreation locations across the continental United States. We combine this model with projections of snowmaking conditions to determine downhill skiing, cross-country skiing, and snowmobiling season lengths under baseline and future climates, using data from five climate models and two emissions scenarios. Projected season lengths are combined with baseline estimates of winter recreation activity, entrance fee information, and potential changes in population to monetize impacts to the selected winter recreation activity categories for the years 2050 and 2090. Our results identify changes in winter recreation season lengths across the United States that vary by location, recreational activity type, and climate scenario. However, virtually all locations are projected to see reductions in winter recreation season lengths, exceeding 50% by 2050 and 80% in 2090 for some downhill skiing locations. We estimate these season length changes could result in millions to tens of millions of foregone recreational visits annually by 2050, with an annual monetized impact of hundreds of millions of dollars. Comparing results from the alternative emissions scenarios shows that limiting global greenhouse gas emissions could both delay and substantially reduce adverse impacts to the winter recreation industry.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959378016305556?via=ihub
     
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    **** my grandkids. This affects me.

    ****** Republicans have the same answer to everything. "Oh, it's all a hoax, or the immigrants brought it or the inferior races, democrats etc etc.." No bad thing is ever real by their way of looking at it. All we have to do is have pervy sex with the flag and love Jesus and everything will be alright forever. Meanwhile the country burns down around us, we all go bankrupt over hangnails and foreign countries won't even let us be tourists because we're all infected with a plague that is easily prevented and won't do anything about it.

    Trump claims that "Only I can fix it" and it can easily be observed how badly he has broken us
     
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    Five years old and already rendered obsolete by observations.
     
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    Too easy to refute.

    National Public Radio’s Misinformation on Wildfires and Climate: Part 1
    2021 › 08 › 08 › national-public-radios-misinformation-on-wildfires-and-climate-part-1
    disturbed by NPR’s unbalanced reporting on wildfires. With every wildfire report, NPR now adds climate crisis ... comment but ignores wildfire science. I learned more about heat transfer and wildfires as a boy scout. I

    National Public Radio’s Misinformation on Wildfires and Climate: Part 2
    2021 › 08 › 11 › national-public-radios-misinformation-on-wildfires-and-climate-part-2
    hypotheses explaining recent upticks in wildfires. ... Wildfire Suppression ... fire into the canopies. All wildfire experts agree the policy of wildfire suppression from 1900 to 1970

    Fact Checking the Wildfire-Climate Link
    2021 › 05 › 24 › fact-checking-the-wildfire-climate-link
    Don’t Correlate with Historical Wildfires ... Historically bigger wildfires are indeed associated with drier ... speed of wildfire spread. ... Fact checking the science of wildfires, NASA’s
     
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    There's nothing to suggest weather events are happening with greater frequency or severity now than ever before.

    I do deny paranoia.
     
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    Even if there wasn't fluctuating weather always existed.

    This is just fear mongering that's how religions work. Join our religion and repent and you will be saved.
     
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    How extreme climate conditions fueled unprecedented Colorado fire
    Record warmth and extreme drought, intensified by climate change, set the stage for the devastating blaze

    The raging inferno that erupted in Boulder County, Colo., on Thursday afternoon became the most destructive wildfire in the state’s history as it burned through hundreds of homes in densely populated suburbs. The fire was fueled by an extreme set of atmospheric conditions, intensified by climate change, and fanned by a violent windstorm.

    The fire came at a time of year when a blaze of such violence is unprecedented; Colorado’s fire season typically spans May though September. But exceptionally warm and dry conditions through this fall, including a historic lack of snowfall, created tinderbox conditions ripe for a fast-spreading blaze.

    All that was needed to incite such a conflagration was a spark and a force to then fan the flames. While the cause of the ignition is still being investigated, a ferocious windstorm, rushing down the slopes of the front range with gusts over 100 mph, spurred a flash firestorm unlike anything previously witnessed in the region during December. According to climate scientists, extreme fires tend to be “climate-enabled and weather-driven”; this was a classic case and one that is projected to become more frequent as the planet warms.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/12/31/colorado-fires-climate-weather-drought/
     
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    Pre-refuted. Please see #641 for the science.
     
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    Future Hurricanes and Typhoons Will Roam Over More of the Earth

    A new, Yale-led study suggests the 21st century will see an expansion of hurricanes and typhoons into mid-latitude regions, which includes major cities such as New York, Boston, Beijing, and Tokyo.

    Nature Geoscience is a monthly peer-reviewed scientific journal published by the Nature Publishing Group that covers all aspects of the Earth sciences, including theoretical research, modeling, and fieldwork. Other related work is also published in fields that include atmospheric sciences, geology, geophysics, climatology, oceanography, paleontology, and space science. It was established in January 2008.
    The study’s authors said tropical cyclones — hurricanes and typhoons — could migrate northward and southward in their respective hemispheres, as the planet warms as a result of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions. 2020’s subtropical storm Alpha, the first tropical cyclone observed making landfall in Portugal, and this year’s Hurricane Henri, which made landfall in Connecticut, may be harbingers of such storms.

    https://scitechdaily.com/future-hurricanes-and-typhoons-will-roam-over-more-of-the-earth/
     
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    Just more model-based tripe contradicted by the record of observations.
     
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    Based on the correlation between observable events and global warming.
     
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    Nope, not at all.
     
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    Already pre-debunked.
    Matt McGrath Trumpets The Latest Hurricane Junk Science
    Guest Blogger
    From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT By Paul Homewood h/t Ian Magness More from the clueless Matt McGrath: Climate change will expand the range of tropical cyclones, making…
     
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    Another takedown of the hype:

    EXTREME WEATHER

    Follow the Science, Yahoo News, Climate Change is Not Causing More Extreme Weather
    January 7, 2022
    Yahoo News posted an article titled, “Extreme weather fueled by climate change hit 4 in 10 Americans where they lived in 2021,” saying climate change is responsible for an increase in the instances and severity of extreme weather. This is false. Millions of Americans are affected by extreme weather events every year, however, data do not show instances of extreme weather are becoming more common or more severe. This fact is confirmed by the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

    “Raging wildfires exacerbated by drought in the West; severe downpours across the Midwest, Northeast and South; deadly heat waves in the Pacific Northwest; hurricanes that unleashed destruction from the Gulf Coast up to New England: 2021 was a year when it became impossible for many Americans to ignore the extreme weather fueled by climate change,” writes Yahoo News.

    Each of the weather events cited by Yahoo News did happen, but there is no evidence they were caused or exacerbated by climate change.

    Yahoo News writes a length about heatwaves that struck the portions of the United States in 2021, but, as explored in Climate at a Glance: Heatwaves, heatwaves, extended periods of extreme above average temperatures, have been far less frequent and severe in recent decades than was the case during the 1930s – nearly 100 years of global warming ago. Indeed, majority of each state’s all-time high temperature records were set during the first half of the 20th (see the figure). . . .
     

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