Given the ONLY option ALLOWED by Republicans to protect our children, arming folks!!!

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Good for them
     
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    And their kids
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Go live with em
     
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    How diddly do ya!
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I was incorrect, as long as the door can be exited without the use of a key then it can be locked from the outside or a one way door only allowing exit but not entrance.

    I agree with that as a security measure in schools.
     
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    Guyzilla Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I guarantee, is DEMS tried to ban bump stocks, YOU, would have accused them of banning guns.
     
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    How about we reinforce class room doors with a locking system that can't be defeated by shooting it?
     
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    Parkland, Fl. is part of the 22nd Congressional district represented by a extreme leftist liberal and is located in Broward County that is run by Democrats.

    Parkland Fl. just like Broward County is just a copy and paste of California.

    Crooked Hillary won over 66% of the votes.

    Over half of the residents in Parkland, Fl were already suffering from TDS.
     
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    such as?
     
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    Or we could just try gun control
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    how about we keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people?
     
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    yeah we had no warning with the Florida shooter. It came out of nowhere.
     
  13. AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS

    AGWisFAKEsillyBABYKILLERS Well-Known Member

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    Half of the teachers having a concealed pistol would stop even a few shooters with ARs..
     
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    We have gun control, it isn't working. Why not simply give our kids a safe environment?
     
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    We have not tried real gun control yet. Where are all these countries with lax gun laws that have low gun deaths to all these other policies you suggest?
     
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    It would result in more shootings
     
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    What I believe many folks would do is register one or two while keeping the rest off the books out of a distrust of the federal government. This fear stems from the hysteria over the past few years about firearms. I believe it would do little to prevent any further mass shootings. Your other recommendations would do far more to combat mass shootings, identifying and combating mental illness, the physical security measures at schools, etc.

    The registration thing I believe would serve no other purpose but appeasement to a hysterical public crying to some sort of action regarding firearms themselves while actually serving little if any purpose.

    I am in support of extensive background checks. The Florida shooter was able to legally purchase multiple semi auto rifles prior to this which is something that should not have been allowed. He was known by the FBI yet nothing was done and he was allowed to purchase rifles.

    Some of my fellow NRA members will give me flak for this but I am fully in favor of prohibiting the sale of firearms to those with certain cases of mental illness and especially those on any type of "watch list" whether that be by the Feds or local law enforcement. Not sure if medical history is private or included in a background check but I am in favor of including it if it's not and if someone has any history whatsoever of mental illness then a signed written letter from a certified physician or psychiatrist must be faxed to the gun store certifying you fit to own a firearm prior to purchase.

    If you have a criminal record involving violence of any sort then a written letter signed by the highest ranking law enforcement officer or judge in the local district where you currently reside must be faxed to the gun store prior to purchase certifying you fit to own a firearm.

    If your background check shows no record of mental disorder or violent criminal activity then you are free to purchase the firearm right then and there. This process makes the purchasing of firearms painless for those citizens who have no criminal history and no mental illness. If you have any of the above then your process is longer and more inconvenient but that's a necessary evil in my book.

    That's what I propose. Not really a "punishment" for those with "issues" but rather a more extensive vetting process while leaving law abiding folks with no mental disorders alone.

    I know a few of my NRA buddies will be mad at such a proposition, but I'm sorry folks no not everybody should be able to purchase a gun as easily as they can a burger and if it has to take some folks a few days or weeks on "hold" while authorities check you out then I approve.

    This may sound bias or arrogant but I believe folks such as myself should be able to purchase a firearm quickly and painlessly. I have a clean background with my only criminal history involving a speeding ticket from when I was 16 years old and no history of mental illness. I am a "low threat" to society and should be treated as such in regards to firearm purchasing.

    Somebody with a questionable mental medical history or a criminal record? Well you're going to have to wait a bit longer while authorities "check you out".

    And I'm fine with that.
     
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    Based on what?
     
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    Statistics
     
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    By what logic?
     
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    Aside from the fact that arming teachers does nothing in order to provent the shooting in the first place, there are other reasons why arming them will be next to useless if you know anything about firearms. If they use concealed carry, it is going to most likely mean a 9 mm handgun. During many recent mass shootings, the shooters were wearing various types of body armor. Even fairly light kevlar will stop most 9 mm rounds easily from a distance. By and large it won't even phase you.

    You would have to aim for the head or the pelvic area and good luck asking a teacher with little training, and in a state of mild panic to make that shot before the shooter can kill him/her with an assault rifle. And a prepared shooter can always buy a helmet or more protection for sensitive areas.

    So, then you arm the teacher more heavily. Say you give them a 0.357 or even 0.45 magnum round handgun. These are generally much bigger and heavier, much harder to handle and harder to conceal. Anyone that has shot magnum rounds from a handgun before also knows the kick it will give your shoulder. The bullets are heavier and thus slower and loose accuracy over a distance. So you need to fire it at closer range. Certain types of body armor will still stop these rounds at close range, but they will knock the wind out of you. Still, I don't see a teacher firing more than one or two shots, if at all.

    So what about an SMG? They're still a lot bigger than handguns and fire 9mm rounds. And again, you need to know how to use them to avoid spraying bullets all over the place. And unless you really concentrate your fire and get the drop on the shooter, you loose.

    So you end up needing a high powered rifle to be sure of stopping a shooter with body armor. And you want to put one of these in every class room? Remember, most schools are pretty big. Getting from one end to the other can take a while. If I were a shooter in a school with armed teachers, I'd just walk into the cafeteria at lunch time and shoot up the place. In the mass panic that will cause, do you think any nearby teacher is going to risk shooting into a crowd of students? It's a hell of a lot harder than you think to pick out the right target.

    And then there's the safety issues of having guns in class rooms handled by people who don't necessarily know how to use them or don't put them away 100% of the time. Or the chance that someone will identify a wrong threat.

    It's one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard of. Who is going to train all those teachers?

    So how about airport style security? There are far more high schools than airports in the US and remember, they would need to operate this equipment almost constantly. On top of that, these checks are not 100% accurate.

    I have leaned to use plenty of firearms. I also happen to have a racing license and pilot's license. However, as cool as it might seem, I accept a race car has no place driving on the road and that to operate it safely you need proper training and licensing. This is even more so with aircraft. There are severe restrictions on how low, how fast, when and how you fly near built-up areas. You can't go supersonic over land. I've been lucky enough to fly in ex-military jets before, but again, the owners happily accept they can't be armed or carry radar equipment.

    Why on earth do you need an AR15 to hunt or for home defense? It's next to useless for either. Deep down you know that it's about boys wanting to play with cool toys just like race cars or flying planes. Then it's reasonable to accept that there is only a specific time and place you should be using them.
     
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    No, I don't know what you mean.

    How do you expect to convince us of what you want when you don't even know what you are talking about?
     
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    No because I know the difference between a stock and a gun.
     
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    This is a lie
     
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    Or we could try something intelligent
     

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