Guns & Stand Your Ground victory. Got a problem with that? video included.

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Moi621, Jul 20, 2018.

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Do YOU support this Stand Your Ground example of lethal gun defense?

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  2. No

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  1. Ericb760

    Ericb760 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We'll just wait and see then, won't we?
     
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    And, when no charges are filed, I'll be happy to accept your concession that I was right.
     
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  3. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    None of those who claim to have been "harassed" ever bothered with filing charges against the individual in question. If no charges are filed, and no charges are pursued, then there is no established history. Therefore the individual in question did nothing wrong in the eyes of the law.

    The one who started the matter, is the one who admitted to feeling entitled to park in a spot specifically reserved for handicapped individuals rather than the general public.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Then the position being established by yourself, is that a private individual cannot legally point out to another individual that they are committing an illegal offense?
     
  5. Ericb760

    Ericb760 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I said nothing of the legality, only that given his history of confronting others, when he had no authority to do so, and doing so while carrying concealed, rather than simply photographing the violators and turning it over to the police, tells me that this was the eventual outcome that he desired. That's Murder in the First Degree.

    https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/first-degree-murder-overview.html
     
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    This is unsupportable nonsense issued in support of a non-seq.
     
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    A history that legally does not exist since no one who was supposedly affected by such, ever bothered to press charges.

    And what is "authority" in this matter that involves one private citizen pointing out that another private citizen is committing a crime? Explain such. What is this supposed "authority" that is being referred to by yourself that was supposedly absent in this case?

    Which is irrelevant to the matter from a legal standpoint.

    Which is also irrelevant to the matter from a legal standpoint.

    Such is the interpretation of one who has no actual understanding of the law.
     
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    I would agree that McGlockton continued to move forward UNTIL the weapon was pulled. Then he begins to retreat. What would have happened had Drejka not fired, we don't know. But it certainly appears to me that once the weapon was drawn the threat was at least temporarily dismissed.
     
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    "Gualtieri said the incident falls under the state’s ‘stand your ground’ law that allows someone to use deadly force if they believe it necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm. He said his office will forward the case to prosecutors for a final decision."

    Since no decision has yet been rendered, all you have is your wishful thinking. Time, as they say, will tell.

    http://time.com/5345220/florida-parking-lot-shooter-not-arrested/
     
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    I've looked at the video several times and agree that the pusher didn't seem to pose an imminent threat to the shooter.

    If I were in the position of the shooter, I would not have shot the pusher however I do not scold or confront people with hostility unless they are abusing a child or bullying someone smaller & weaker.

    On the other hand, pushing someone to the hard pavement with that much force could easily have resulted in broken bones, a lethal head injury or fatal contact with a passing vehicle.

    I suspect that the shooter was at least stunned & confused at the time he shot the pusher & fired either out of revenge or a perception that the attack was continuing.

    I am also bothered by the shooter's history of unnecessarily confronting other people and brandishing a firearm in public.

    Finally, I feel that both individuals were in the wrong but feel that the shooter should undergo a court ordered psychiatric evaluation given his aberrant history of angrily confronting strangers.
     
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    What rules violations are you referring to? I thought it was liberal who were...oh, never mind.
     
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    Wow, a psychic are you. You KNOW what was going on in his mind. I am going to keep F**n with people and soon someone will assault me???

    HAHAHAHAHA
    That's what you are saying, you can read minds.
    Now go blame a girl for getting raped.
     
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    Sorry, I am sure the guy was just upset inconsiderate people were.

    But you have heard it from several posters, its alright to beat the sh*t out of anyone, BECAUSE THEY ASK FOR IT, DAMNN IT! BUT DON'T SHOOT EM in defense of yourself??? Just be a good victim and lie on the ground while they set up for a second round of beating, cause you to be crippled the rest of your life, maybe even kill you. It is just fine with many posters. Blame the rape victim...…

    They think they live in Mayberry world.
     
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    Who said it was ok to beat the sh*t out of someone?
     
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    No, you provoke yourself into joining the Darwin Awards club. You start a physical attack on a smaller, frailer person, remember the old saying.
    God didn't make men equal, but Colt did.
     
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    If you cannot defend yourself against a bigger, stronger violent individual who far outclasses you, and feels violence in the way to go, you must want them to be allowed to beat the sh*t out of someone and they should just lie there and get beaten. Trust me, that guy and that girl would have beaten the guy on the ground if he had not had a weapon. The violent assault proved it.
     
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    No one said he shouldn’t be able to defend himself. You’re very confused son.
     
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    Yes you are. The only defense against a bigger, stronger violent person, is the violence at your disposal. He simply defended himself with the tools at nand while on the ground. You think it is alright for someone to beat someone, but not shoot them?
     
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    Nope. Never said he shouldn’t be able to have a gun or pull said gun to defend himself. A person doesn’t always have to shoot to defend oneself
     
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    This time a person did, and wisely so. This is what to many liberals want to do that can get you killed.
     
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    None of which changes the points that were ignored on the part of yourself.
     
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    Since those who were supposedly accosted by the individual did not bother with pressing charges, no history legally exists.
     
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    The absence of a legitimate response on the part of yourself has been duly noted.
     
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    So, if you are a weak, little man, you are free to berate, and threaten, other, weaker females for doing a bad job parking? I'm not so sure that if I discovered someone verbally assaulting my wife and kids, he wouldn't end up on the ground. He should have learned his lesson right then and there. Instead he escalated the situation to homicide.

    No one was in the right here. And, no one deserved to die over a frickin' parking spot. How this just okey dokey with you is telling as to what your mental status is. You should be appalled that a man lost his life over something so stupid and trivial right in front of his kids. They are the real victims in this tragedy.
     
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    It certainly does in hindsight.
     

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