Gyasi Ross tells White Americans to go back to Europe, end Thanksgiving and give him back land

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    Native American activist Gyasi Ross has a message for white Americans this Thanksgiving and every Thanksgiving: Get out of America and give back our land!!
    From Gyasi:

    “White settlers come to a strange land in good faith, bringing something of great value that enriches the people who are already here,” he continued. “The natives also bring something of immense value. Equal exchange. That closely mimics the mythology of White America. It is how America wants to see itself.”

    However, said Ross, “the truth, of course, of Thanksgiving is much different.”

    The truth is that pilgrims did not bring turkey, sweet potato pie or cranberries to Thanksgiving. They could not. They were broke. They were broken. Their hands were out. They were begging. They brought nothing of value. They got fed. They got schooled. Thanksgiving, it makes sense. There is much for White Americans to be thankful for. But I’m still trying to figure out what Indigenous people received of value. Instead of bringing stuffing and biscuits, those settlers brought genocide and violence.

    That genocide and violence is still on the menu as state-sponsored violence against Native and Black Americans is commonplace. And violent private white supremacy is celebrated and subsidized. From Stonechild Chiefstick to Mike Brown to Renee Davis to Breonna Taylor to Eric Garner, indigenous and black people are still being murdered by those paid to protect us.

    From Ahmaud Arbery to Trayvon Martin, white Americans are still killing Native and black Americans with no fear of reprisal. They brought chattel slavery to Africans and Native people that still happens through the prison-industrial complex that imprisons the descendants of enslaved Africans and Natives at far disparate numbers. That is the reality of Thanksgiving.

    Many of us are still waiting for white Americans to bring some value — still waiting for white Americans to match the mythology of Thanksgiving. Freedom, justice, equality, reparations for two and a half billion acres of stolen Native land – reparations for 246 years of stolen labor – reparations for stealing Native children. Stop the killing – it’s still happening. Stop the theft — it’s still happening. Return the land – match the mythology. Then, and only then, we can all be equally thankful. Peace.

    Gyasi Ross Feasts On Thanksgiving: 'Genocide and Violence' (mediaite.com)
     
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    He's right.
     
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    If he feels so strongly about it, is he going to demand that the Blackfoot give back land and make reperations to the Shoshone?
     
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    So, once FedGov and StateGovs are abolished, I get back the land contractually granted to my great great great (7x greats) grandfather by a Native tribe in exchange for his (and the British Army's) assistance in their war against their enemy Native tribe, right? I mean, since that land is a state park now. But it wasn't stolen, it was traded for services rendered... so do I have to 'go back to Europe' anyway?
     
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    It's not going to happen.

    How about this: Whites to Europe, Blacks to Africa. Asians to Asia.

    Won't the world be as divided as it is already?
     
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    Wasn't taking about reparations, just this.

    The truth is that pilgrims did not bring turkey, sweet potato pie or cranberries to Thanksgiving. They could not. They were broke. They were broken. Their hands were out. They were begging. They brought nothing of value. They got fed. They got schooled. Thanksgiving, it makes sense. There is much for White Americans to be thankful for. But I’m still trying to figure out what Indigenous people received of value. Instead of bringing stuffing and biscuits, those settlers brought genocide and violence.

    That genocide and violence is still on the menu as state-sponsored violence against Native and Black Americans is commonplace. And violent private white supremacy is celebrated and subsidized. From Stonechild Chiefstick to Mike Brown to Renee Davis to Breonna Taylor to Eric Garner, indigenous and black people are still being murdered by those paid to protect us.

    From Ahmaud Arbery to Trayvon Martin, white Americans are still killing Native and black Americans with no fear of reprisal. They brought chattel slavery to Africans and Native people that still happens through the prison-industrial complex that imprisons the descendants of enslaved Africans and Natives at far disparate numbers. That is the reality of Thanksgiving.
     
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    He is wrong

    And boring..

    Every year the same tired woke cliches from some doucebag who wants to whine about thanksgiving and pervert the history
     
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    The whites brought other tings that the natives wanted such as literacy, metal and agriculture.

    There was violence and genocide here before the whites.

    your list includes people who were not murdered such as Mike brown.

    Chattel slavery was started by africans, whites were just the latest customers.

    Your reality is delusional spin and that is fact
     
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    Prove they wanted it.

    That doesn't negate the fact that we brought violence and genocide.

    Nope. Yes, Africans Did Sell Africans Into Slavery | Medium

    Not in the least.
     
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    The proof that they wanted it is that they IMMEDIATELY traded for it.

    It does negate it because it was already here.

    Yes chattel slavery was not started by whites,

    Yes absolutely and that is fact yout. Claims are based on spin and revisionist fiction
     
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    Which STILL doesn't negate the fact that we brought more of it

    Nope, as stated Yes, Africans Did Sell Africans Into Slavery | Medium, the western powers industrialized chattel slavery to a level unseen in history.

    Nope, not in the least.
     
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    Michael Brown tried to murder a cop. Trayvon Martin tried to murder a citizen. Eric Garner was breaking the law, assaulted two cops. Briona Taylor was living with a drug dealer. And white Americans didn't bring slaves to North America. Spare us the woke bullshit.
     
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    White people did absolutely.
     
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    If this guy went to a democrat stronghold where blacks run things, he'd find out white people aren't the problem.
     
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    Genocide was already here. Genocide has long been a part of the human experience. And it has been practiced by every color of the human rainbow.
     
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    Which STILL does not negate the fact that we committed it here no matter how much you want it to.
     
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    You said white Americans. You people act like The United States is the only country on Earth where Africans we're enslaved.
     
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    The Indians were committing genocide for centuries before the Europeans showed up.
     
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    Yep we didn't, but this shows Yes, Africans Did Sell Africans Into Slavery | Medium we industrialized chattel slavery to a level unseen in history.
     
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    The western powers merely continued what was already started.

    Yes absolutely and thast is proven fact like it or not
     
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    Which STILL does not negate the fact that we committed it here no matter how much you want it to.
     
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    Nope, sorry.

    Nope, not in the least.
     
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    Which is irrelevant

    Your claim is in fact negated
     
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    Nope, we did it.
     

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