Half of Americans say Trump is victim of a 'witch hunt' as trust in Mueller erodes

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seems you just rinse and repeat the same old bullshit even when being advised of the facts.

    Your strawman false equivalency and misrepresentation is noted. Softballs? yes, in true trumpian rhetorical fashion you are playing fallacious rhetorical softball while the rest of the world is playing factual hardball. Guarantees bigly wins, so you got that goin for you I guess.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As a matter of fact I have.

    https://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/FISC Rules of Procedure.pdf

    A refresher might be in order.

    Particular this:

    Rule 1. Scope of Rules. These rules, which are promulgated pursuant to 50 U.S.C. ยง 1803(g), govern all proceedings in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court ("the Court"). Issues not addressed in these rules or the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, as amended ("the Act"), may be resolved under the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure or the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bogus evidence? People have gone or are going to jail for that bogus evidence. Why they've even plead guilty to it.

    Yep you still got a pig.
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mirror mirror on the wall.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No. they have heard innuendo from the media, and Trumps incessant attacks in the medias credibility. Thus, they have only heard one side. Trumps war on the media has had a very dangerous effect on the media, and even more, on the Truth. Ask a righty and they will all tell you "the media lies". Thats a dangerous game they played, and it will have long lasting consequences on our democracy

    Ummmm, prosecutors don't do "innuendo". They have to prove their case, so everything in the report will be an already proven fact. The real problem here is that no matter what it says, the righties will still claim it all lies. And the right in this country has spent the last 2 years claiming that every "prosecution and guilty verdict" that Mueller got, was a "process crime", while leaving out the fact that all those lies were made for a reason, and that reason was to protect Donald Trump. If he did nothing wrong, then there would be no reason to lie, no ?
     
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    The evidence you cited was: :trump is a liar, cheater and crook who was dealing with the Russians during the campaign; repeatedly lied about contacts with Russians despite official FBI warnings; and has had his NSA, his personal lawyer, his campaign manager, his assistant campaign manager convicted/plead guilty of crimes and going to prison;" Where is the collusion with the Russian government cited in any of those pleadings or indictments? ANS: nowhere.
     
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    Nice gobbledygook retort.
     
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    You're just not paying attention.
    Prosecutors do not have to prove their case to get indictments. As the saying goes any half-way decent prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich. Those lies were made from a lapse in memory, no more no less. Even the FBI said Flynn did not lie, lie. Believe what you will and what suits your fancy.
     
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    Because they lie constantly. They are the propaganda arm of a loud left wing, wealthy, self-entitled minority.
    Oh horsesht, they threw away their credibility with their constant lying smears, slander and innuendo, they have no one to blame but themselves.

    And back to topic.

    Top Prosecutors Leave Mueller Team After GOP Reps Complain to AG Barr.
    The majority of the country views this as a witch hunt because it is a witch hunt. Weissman is a piece of bitterly partisan trash. We didnt' make Dirty Bob load up his witch hunt with ALL Democrats and several Clinton donors and partisans, Dirty Bob did that all on his own.

    We didn't make the Fake News Meda trumpet this horrible dossier that is nothing more than Clinton Opposition product as "intelligence" they did that themselves.

    In a free society we have the right to denounce liars, and the Fake News Media deserves all the scorn that is being heaped on them.
     
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    Its not Muellers fault democrats have been lying for 2 years.

    Mueller rarely says anying
     
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    Well he hasn't been charged before because he wasn't under the microscopic scrutiny of running and becoming the President of the United States. Comes with the territory or haven't you been paying attention?
     
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    I notice you aren't interested in exercising that right when it comes to Trump and his cronies.

    Those heaps are mostly bullshit, not scorn, when being shoveled so selectively.
     
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    The alleged fer sure criminal act upon which this all sprang is out the window because it simply never happened. Yet your other specious CNN allegations are bonafide?
     
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    sadly you are serious.
     
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    Mueller's witch hunt fools no one, at this point the Left wants to try to weaken the Triumphant Trump before the 2020 election. But, his approval is at similar levels as Bill Clinton and Barack Obama's were at this point in his presidency. In Clinton's first midterms, Democrats lost 14 more House seats than Republicans lost last November. Democrats under Obama lost 23 more seats in his first midterms than Republicans lost under Trump. Democrats lost eight Senate seats in 1994 during Clinton's first term. They lost six Senate seats in 2010 during Obama's first term. Trump actually picked up two Senate seats last fall so he's well positioned to add to his winning 30 state total in the upcoming election. Mueller's got nothing, you know it, I know it, the American People know it.
     
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    Trump has always been "under scrutiny" and at loggerheads with state prosecutors and the IRS, weren't you paying attention?
     
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    Good lord Rod, a prosecutor won't indict someone unless they have the proof to take to court.

    Flynn did lie. HE even admitted he did. Time to turn off Fox News
     
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    How utterly cynical & brazenly wrong. If it as a "witch hunt," then no one would have ever been charged with felonies--but they were. Those who believe Trump's assertion that it's all a "witch hunt" are just devoted followers who care more about their cult hero than the nation or the truth.
     
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    You need to bone up on what indictments are because you clearly don't have a clue.
    Of course Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI. Mueller was going to trash his son if he didn't. Yet that was after the FBI interviewers said they did not believe Flynn lied (as opposed to being confused.)
     
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    You seem to not have a clue what a witch hunt is and does. The witch hunt found witches??!!?? Imagine that!
     
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    They were charged with process crimes, irrelevant to Trump.

    And if its not a witch hunt, how many years do they need to provide evidence?
     
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    At what point does fantasy cross over into full blown delusion? What does that experience feel like?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, imagine them finding witches or in this case lying cheating crooks masquerading as innocent witches.
     
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    Oh? On what planet does a loud mouth reality tv star come under the same scrutiny as either a candidate for or the actual President of the United States?

    Too nuanced a difference for you?
     

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