HAMAS to accept pre-1967 borders, in harmony with United Nations vote

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    The Gaza-based Palestinian resistance organisation, HAMAS, is about to formally recognise the pre-1967 borders with Israel as the borders of the Palestinian state.
    This is in accord with the United Nations vote of December, 2012, wherein the border was agreed by a vote of 138 states in favor to just 9 against- the detractors being Israel, the US, Canada, the Czechs and some minor Pacific Islands. That vote also recognised Palestinian statehood in the form of non-member observer state status.
    This decision by Hamas is well-timed in that it anticipates another attack against Gaza by the neoZionist regime of the fascist, Netanyahu, who is in extreme political difficulties and seeks to extend his tenure by means of another ' war '. This age-old failing leadership tactic , however, is now on public view as it develops, via the onset of the Internet- so for Netanyahu to initiate the attack is much more difficult than it has previously been.

    The tide of world opinion has turned against Israel- with a vengeance- and the Palestinian state is already a recognised reality, bar the removal of Israel's occupying forces. Another ' war ' would simply be an act of brutal spite, an act of brutal spite fuelled by the 38+ billion dollars just gifted to Israel by the Obama administration for Israel's ' defence ' . What is required now is a thorough dismantling of the neoZionist campaign against the Palestinian resistance which seeks to punish physical resistance by death and political resistance by political assassination. Let's get on with it.
     
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    Pre-67 will be internationally recognized borders and Gilos still be saying "it won't happen" ahahah...
     
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    With a bit of luck and good management they'll all be saying ' Not guilty, judge '. It's going to be crowded in that court-room.
     
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    Looking on the map to see what this will mean in detail, it will for sure not happen due to pure realities!
     
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    It has to happen. The squatters were removed from Gaza- despite the billions of dollars spent on ' Facts on the ground ' and they will be returned to Israel from the West Bank by the same process. You have to bear in mind that it's the demand of the law- and the world will not sit idly by and watch the neoZionists ignore it. It can't. We all live by the same rules.
    Apartheid South Africa collapsed- and so too must hafrada Israel.
     
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    There was never any issue with Palestine accepting the borders of a Palestinian state. Their problem is their unwillingness to accept the borders of the Israeli state.
     
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    Meh. The words of Islamofascist terrorists and war criminals aren't worth squat, nor do they fulfill the Palis' obligations under UNSCR 242.
     
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    Mohammad the Prophet's favorite saying about war was to make peace when you're weak and make war when you're strong. As soon Iran gets nukes and smuggles one into Palestine things are going to heat up.
     
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    This is ridiculous, Hamas knows damn well that Israel will not accept those borders, so what's their purpose other than to perpetually prolong the war.

    And keep them going on and on and on.
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    Excellent. Just in time for the revised diplomatic agreement citing the new agreed upon 2017 border. ;)

    That's what I would do if I were President of the USA.
     
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    I didn't realize that they were referring to the Palestinians state. Thanks for telling me.
     
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    When you realize that it was Israel which didn't accept the borders of the Israeli state you'll be in a position to see the true picture.
     
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    As I mentioned earlier and you just pointed out, Jenny, they're all empty words.

    I expect the Egyptian government views them in the same light.
     
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    The short route to peace and stability is for Israel to recognize Palestine. Hamas has played a good card in agreeing a Palestinian border along with the vast majority of world states.
     
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    As if any of Arabia kept its' word to Israel.
    More like Israel is the Native American nations making treaties with the great white father.
    1) Regional defense from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean is Israeli.
    2) Palestinians living in Israel vote in Palestinian elections and likewise Israelis living in Palestinian domain vote in Israeli elections.
    3) All vote in municipal elections in the municipality regardless of national voting ID.

    I supported SodaStream as a model destroyed by PC ignorance.

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    r > g


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    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.

     
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    This must be another one of Soros's little projects.
     
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    If Hamas declares that they are willing to live in peace with the State of Israel along the 1967 borders, that is a HUGE step forward that only Netanyahu can ignore.
     
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    This is good than allowing the Israelis to complete the occupation in the West bank, making it occupied thoroughly with Jewish settlers.
     
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    Pre-1967 borders? Ha!

    Just like the U.S. is willing to go back to the pre-1776 borders.
     
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    I do not see Israel accepting this. They are getting a little edgy about the whole rise in nationalism thing in Europe and now apparently the US. Many in Israel see it as a safe harbor for the Jewish people and when things get dicey around the world that only strengthens. They then push for more settlers to come and that means more land to support them.

    Good political move by Hamas IMHO. Say they will accept a deal they are pretty sure Israel will not accept. They win either way. More land or Israel comes off looking like they are the ones that do not want peace.

    If you read the Hamas charter it certainly states another objective that is not peaceful co-habitation. It is the destruction of Israel and the reinstatement of an Islamic state in its place.

    Some on the far-right in Israel with basically the same plan. The destruction of Palestine and replacing it with a Jewish state. More moderate plans from the right are having Muslims as secondary citizens with very little voice in government.

    The good news according to polls about 50% on both sides want a peaceful solution and support a 2 state plan.

    IMHO the only way this would work out right now is major 3rd party involvement acting as mediator and at times arbitrator when needed. Allowing the 3rd party the option of force in extreme cases where one side fails in agreements for security of people on either side.
     
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    Some of what you say is valid, Woody01- but you shouldn't assist the neoZionist cause by dwelling in the past and ignoring the realities of the present. However, this item in the Western media is only a few hours old;
    Nobody can sensibly deny that being invaded calls for hard-line resistance. It has always been a successful neoZionist ploy to denigrate ALL resistance to Israeli crimes as ' terrorism '. But we would all act in similar fashion to HAMAS and the Palestinian resistance if our own country was invaded. The French are honored for resisting the Nazis- the ANC is honored for breaking the twisted spine of South African apartheid.
    It's all very well to sympathize with the survivors of 20th century European fascism- but these new neoZionists are fascists themselves- and they do not deserve our sympathy for subjugating another nation of victims.
    Clearly, the winds of change have impacted upon HAMAS policy. You're right- it's a clever move which exposes Israeli intransigence. That's politics. However, we can expect the exposed neoZionists to respond with violence. That's become their method- and we should not support it.
     
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    Not giving them a pass. I find it interesting human behavior that Israel was founded on terrorism. Using it to intimidate Palestinians to get them to flee. If I recall the British were targeted at least once. Just depends which side of the fight you are on.
     
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    And what, pray, are Israel's obligations under the same Resolution? Works both ways. As for your 'war criminals' charge, perhaps you can explain why the IDF using children as human shields is not a war crime? Thanks for your indulgence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield#Israeli-Palestinian_conflict
     
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    The British were targeted on numerous occasions; the bombing of the King David hotel and the atrocity of the kidnapping and murder in the 'Sergeant's Affair' being two notable examples of Zionist terrorism.
     
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    Until fairly recently the Zionists had a monopoly over media outlets and, shamefully, Western politicians. The Internet has changed that in favor of truth. For example, supporters of ' Israel ' ( generally malcontent Islamophobes seeking moral cover ) would reject any notion that Zionist terror groups ever existed- let alone exist and are active today. Show them the list compiled by the US State department;

     

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