Holy Bible Scriptures: Hard to understand or easy to understand?

I wonder like what are they going against the Catholic Church on......not venerating Mary? Or not believing everything the pope says as if it was God Himself that said it? The Catholic Church would be wise to spend more time looking at its own house and cleaning up the mess it has than thinking it is in a position to teach others.

 

The adoration goes back as far as any of us know of. We have writtings from the 1st century that speak of it. Also the authority of the Pope as been right back to the time Jeus made Peter the 1st Pope. I think other Christian churches should be more humble and realise they have no rational or sound basis for their theology. They preach a Bible that came from the Catholic Church tell us it is infallible. Even though they have no reason to believe this apart from the authority of the Catholic Church telling them so, even though they reject the Church thye believe the Church whennit says the Bible is infallible. They accept the Bible is without error but cannot explain how as no person is infallible which would mean the authors of the books were open to error. The Church would also be open to error in deciding which books should go toward creating the Bible. But thats alright keep ignoring your these contradictions. Some Protestants are so indoctrined anti-Catholicism it would be unthinkable for them ever consider the idea that the Catholic Church could possibly be right.

 

What pride and arrogance. It is you that are full of pride and arrogance to ignore the teachings of the Church Christ established. You have no rational foundation for your beliefs. Wake up to your own hypocrisy. Christ wanted us to know the truth, if Protestants cannot even claim to preach the truth, because if they did then they to would be claiming their church is also infallible. So they are more or less saying here is what I think but it could or could not be true, just make your own mind up. Protestantism is like a ship without a rudder sailing which ever way the wind takes you. If something sounds right to you then it is ture to you but not to someone else. Truth is not up for granbs there is one truth, ignore it if you like the simple fact of the matter you are ignoring the Church Jesus Himself established.

 

What BS, if you are going to make accusations then back them up with some proof. You trry and make God whatever you desire Him to be, whatever best suits your own personal view. If you want to refuse to accept the truht that is within the Church Christ established that is completely up to you.

How can you accept Christ in you heart if you do not know Him?. He has given us away to know Him more intimately, but thats alright if you want to live in fairy land and believe just whatever fits with your own liking go ahead.

Thats right had it's foundation on a rock. Tell me what foundation has Protestantism it has no foundation. They do not even know why they believe the Bible is infallible they canniot explain why they believe. They cannot even explain how it is infallible. The Catholic Church has certainity in it's teachings it was established by Christ, it was granted authority, that you refuse to accept because it does not fit with your own personal theology. Keep making the stuff up as you go along as all Protestants do. There is over 36,000 tyoes of Protestantism please tell me in your opinion which one of these is right?.

 

The hierarchy in the Church is called to serve.

There is also plenty of Biblical refernces to show Jesus established a visible institution to be His Church.
Matt 5:13-15, Matt 16:18-19, Matt 18:15-17, Acts 8:3, Acts 20:28, Romans 7:4, 1 Corinthians 10:32, 1 Corinthians 12:12-13, 1 Corinthians 12:28, 1 Corinthians 15:9, Galatians 1:13, Ephesians 1:22, Ephesians 2:19-22, Ephesians 3:10, Ephesians 3:21, Ephesians 4:1-5, Ephesians 4:12, Ephesians 5:32, Colossians 1:18, Colossians 1:24, 1 Timothy 3:15, Luke 9:1, John 15:16, 19, 2 Corinthians 1:1, 1 Timothy 1;1, 12, 1 Timothy 2;7, 2 Timothy 1:1, 11 etc, etc.

Also to show their is a heirachy system here is some verses.

Numbers 4:16, 2 Kings 11:18, Nehemiah 11:9, Isaiah 60:17, Acts 1:20, Acts 20:28, Philippians 1:1, 1 Thessalonians 5:12-13, 1 Timothy 3:1-5, 1 Timothy 4:11, Titus 1:5-9, Titus 2:15, Hebrews 13:7, Hebrews 13:17, 1 Peter 2:25 etc, etc.

As I normally say please read all the verses some are more clear in than others.

I never said anyone in the Catholic Church is superior but their is people in a psoition of authority which is also quite evident in the Bible.

 

Marry was not venerated nor was she referred to as mother by the Church and they sure never taught that you get to Jesus through her.

What writings and who writings?

We have already been through this.....Peter was never called pope/father.

LOL.......as if the Catholic Church does. All the pope's never get married but it was not taught in the Bible that any of the apostles were to be celibate.

The Jews could say something similar......they could say the Old Testament came from them so they are the original people of God. The point is claiming to a book came from you does not mean anything in God. And it is very easy to say what you say when they took the books and did not slow anyone else to read it and then later on say it came from them.

 

Serving is not a hierarchy because any and all can serve.....it was not just the apostles that served. If there was a hierarchy in God's true Church Jesus would not have told the disciples that they were all brothers and that they were not to lord it over each other.......they were to be like servants instead. In a hierarchy it is the servants that serve those in high position.

 

tell It does not mean what you intended to show,lol. Google it. Short interpretation; Love Jesus/God more than anyone or anything because if you do not save your soul you can not help anyone else.

reva

 

Oh so you can tellme exactly when the Church apparently invented this can you?.
We know of adoration of Mary from the 1st century. Muslims have an adoration of Mary, were did they get this notion from?.

All these pople who have the earliest writtings of Christianity had devotion to mary. I suggest you read their works and see what they say about Mary.

Jerome, Hippolytus, Maximus of Turin, Theodotus of Ancyra, St. Augustine, St proclus, St. Ephram, St John Damascene, St. Irenaeus, St. Polycarp, St. Ignatius of Antioch, St. Justin. There is many as well, many of these witting go back before the 1st council Ephesus.

Thats right we have already been through it and just because you ignore the fact of peter being the 1st Pope does not mean he was not.

Not all Popes were not married. Also priestly celibacy is not a dogma to the Catholic faith, it is a discipline. The Church only makes this requirment as it believes it shows a greater commitment to God. However there is in certain circumstances when the Catholic Church does permit married priests. I do believe though afterwards they must remain celibate, I'm not to sure. St. Paul speaks quite clearly about celibacy and putting all yourself into God's work and putting away relationships. Its all about self sacrifice.

 

Once again you do what you all ways do you have taken one piece of my post and replied to that one piece. A priest serves, a bishop serves. They serve us but they also have authority.

In some of the verse I gave you it is quite clear some had authority over others.

 

Once again you do what you all ways do you have taken one piece of my post and replied to that one piece. A priest serves, a bishop serves. They serve us but they also have authority.

In some of the verses I gave you it is quite clear some had authority over others, and somewhere granted authority by others. It also quite clearly shows succession of authority. Did you bother to read all of them?.

 

Explain halloween then and we can move forward. I follow the God of the Bible with His Son Jesus leading me. You are a lemming that thinks as told by your Church.

 

The Jews could say something similar......they could say the Old Testament came from them so they are the original people of God. The point is claiming to a book came from you does not mean anything in God. And it is very easy to say what you say when they took the books and did not slow anyone else to read it and then later on say it came from them.[/QUOTE]


I am sorry I forgot to respond to this part of your post in my last post, and I like to respond to arguments that are brought against my faith.
The Jews were God's people they were the choosen people of the old covenant. However Jesus came and fulfilled the prophecies of the OT. The Jews now refuse to acknowledge this fulfilment of prophecy. So when they had the OT and guarded it, yes they were God's people, that was the Church of God. They had authority, Moses had authority that was granted to him through God when he spoke regarding their beliefs it was God speaking through him. David had authority, Solomon had authority etc,etc. They were given charge to rule over God's people, to teach them in the ways He wanted. Now the Christian Church is also given authority which is taught to us through the Catholic Church.

 

Well first of all Halloween started out as all saints day, and all souls day that are on 2 seperate days, and are still celebrated in the Church today. These terms the Catholic Church still use, it is to celeberate the saints and pray for the dead souls in purgatory (which I can give you Biblical references on if you need them). Halloween did not start out as dressing as witches and ghouls and many Catholics speak out loudly against this new form of halloween. Hallowed means holy. the Cathoic Church has nothing whatsoever to do with the commercialising and the halloween you see today.
You are the lemming who cannot see how irrational you are.
Tell me what God is it that you follow?, the one that best suits you, the one that you make up and decide for yourself. What Bible is it that you follow the one given to you by the Church?.
You get authority from the Bible, who told you the Bible was authorative?.
Is the Bible infallible?.
Those who composed the books in the Bible were they infallible in their writting?.
Was the Church infallible in compiling the books that went into making the Bible?.

 

No vote comment. The bible is vague? I don’t rally know how you are defining vague. Anyway the prophetic books of the bible are vague because a precise extremely detailed prediction would rob us of our free will if an all knowing God made them. There are more reasons but I will wait until the definition of ‘vague’ or how you are using it is clearer.

reva

 

That does not mean there is a hierarchy in God's Church.....the members all have different responsibility but no one is anyone's superior......the bottom-line is all serve each other. So there is no scripture that says that anyone has any authority over the other......that exists in the Catholic Church but not among God's people.

 

They would not agree with you the same way you don't agree with me.

 

No but you and your faith is.

 

If Sodom was destroyed when Lot lived there why was it still in existence during Ezekiel's lifetime?

Ezekiel 16:46 (NKJV) = “Your elder sister is Samaria, who dwells with her daughters to the north of you; and your younger sister, who dwells to the south of you, is Sodom and her daughters."

 

Is Sodom not is in Sodom. It goes on to discuss her inequities.

You are are right though. A person that does not know the simplest differences in the English language, or whatever language their Bible is written in needs to go back to kindergarten.

Ex. Dude you are total (*)(*)(*)(*), you are Sodom.

For your edification:The hebrew language is very literal. It lacks metaphor. The hebrew language also lacks many ideas and many things are translated so they can be understood. As the part you quoted was translated.

Also you may not be capable of understanding it because you are doing the one liner thing. Try reading it in context. When you read a book do you only read one line?

Lets apply this another way!

Who was being Spoken too? Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,

 

Paul and Peter clashed over doctrine. Which one was the heretic, in your opinion?

 

For the most part, I think the Bible is easy to understand but there are definitely A few verses that are not.

..and then there is Revelation, which IMO, you will not understand it all unless you know a bit about first century history.

 

really? What do you do with calvinism verses armenianism? How do you reconcile Psalm 5:5 with John 3:16?

 

Where is the contradiction? A tenant of Christian faith is the being made clean by the Sacrifice of Christ. There is absolutely no contradiction when things are take in context and not used as one liners.

 

did I say they were contradictions? Do you actually know anything about calvinism or armenianism? Have you read psalm 5:5 in light of John 3:16? So, tell me whats the context?