Honest invitation to the Leftist Liberals -- please, tell us on the Right what you REALLY want!

100% absolutely.
I bet these RWers who know exactly what the left wants and believes are the one's who were all over making obama a 1 term prez.
They became as the party of NO.
They are the one's not interested in compromise. In fact, I've seen a few say there is no compromise.

It seems the left is not the problem. It's the old party of NO that is the problem.

 

What have the dems done to stop offshoring.
Hell, he just did NAFTA 2 and gave the Mexican autoworkers a raise with a $16/hr min wage.
He can give Mexico a living wage, but you think we can't have a living wage in the USA???

 

Well @Pollycy, your well intended thread has been hijacked.
You will notice, it's not the center and left leaning that won't offer up solutions to issues.

 

The Chinese Exclusion Act
"most people and unions strongly supported the Chinese Exclusion Act, including the American Federation of Labor and Knights of Labor, a labor union, who supported it because it believed that industrialists were using Chinese workers as a wedge to keep wages low.[23] Among labor and leftist organizations, the Industrial Workers of the World were the sole exception to this pattern. The IWW openly opposed the Chinese Exclusion Act from its inception in 1905"

"One of the critics of the Chinese Exclusion Act was the anti-slavery/anti-imperialist Republican Senator George Frisbie Hoar of Massachusetts who described the Act as "nothing less than the legalization of racial discrimination. "It was primarily meant to retain white superiority especially with regards to working privileges."

 

And there have been a few RWers who are sorely misinformed. As if they know what the entire left and center wants.
And yes, it is showing those who claim to know the minds of the center and left to be ignorant and your words, pathetic. And unwilling to even begin a civil discussion.
Thanks for point all that out.

 

You may have been a communist. That doesn't make all others who are not RW communist.
You and a few others here, have shown perfectly which side is not willing to compromise. Hell, those same posters aren't even interested in what is being posted by those not RW.
And you may know more about your fringe left you seemed to be a part of. But that is the fringe.

 

Thank you, but truly, I started the thread in little more than desperation.... As I wrote earlier, I've been posting in this Forum for over 10 years, and to this moment I don't think I've accomplished one damn thing, quite honestly.

But, I realize the truth of the old statement, "If you keep on doing what you've been doing, you'll keep on getting what you've been getting!"

And that's the basis for this whole inquiry -- for one political faction to just STOP and ask the other political faction, "WHAT DO YOU WANT? CAN YOU ENVISION A WAY THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER?!"

I'm not trying to get 'carried away' or anything, but some of what I've read already suggests that a number of folks on the Liberal Left have some valid points, and some issues for serious consideration that could lead to very beneficial compromise.

Look, I know that here in the U. S., we don't really have "coalition government", but in one country at least, the "coalition"-style has proven to work reasonably well over many decades -- in Germany! Yes, Germans are quite socialistic (compared to the U. S.), and yes, Germans are heavily taxed, but the political factions there frequently manage to compromise on most important issues, they rarely boil over into avowed, entrenched HATRED for each other, and Germans enjoy pretty good lives overall. I'm hoping for an American 'version' of something like that for us. It's that, or we'll "keep on getting what we've been getting" -- and maybe a LOT worse....

 

Just one thing: Re-establish meaningful debate and dialogue.

I don’t care who thinks they are “right” or “wrong”. If someone can get up and make a real case for any particular issue and in a rational and meaningful manner lay the facts and reasons in front of the voting members of Congress upon which they can vote without party leadership, I will support the outcome.

I absolutely hate the fact that the leader of either house has the power to prevent a floor vote on any particular bill. I hate it when actual debate gives way to grandstanding. I hate the fact that actual compromise has vanished from government. I actually miss the days when Tip O’Neill was Speaker during the Reagan administration. Tip hated Reagan but he saw to it that deals got done. Both sides might walk away unhappy with whatever deal got done, but that was the best possible outcome: both sides had to give to get.

 

Now you move the goal posts.
We are a nation of immigrants.
We bring in immigrants because we can't fill all the jobs needed in the country.
I am an engineer and way back in the 1990s we have Chinese and Mid East Engineers in a very small midwestern city. All immigrants.

Border wall is not going to fix low wages.
Jobs and demand for jobs will fix low wages.
And for a decade or more now, have said, if we are serious about the ILLEGAL immigration in this country, we'd go after the employers who hire them.
Take away the incentive, jobs, and the illegal immigration issue will decrease dramatically.

And I'll say all of this without being condescending, as you do in all your posts.

 

Cool! Would you consider responding to some of them "issues" that you mentioned above?

 

Remind me again how many Dems voted for Trump's Supreme Court pick?

Your definition of 'compromise' is Joe Manchin in an election year. Every other year is a rubberstamp NO to anything remotely moderate or conservative.

 

If both parties walk away from the table unhappy, that is probably the best for the country as a whole.
For each had to give something in turn.

 

You should notice, those who post here, are not a politician.
Talk, compromise, civil discussions, needs to begin with the people.
We elect those who are suppose to serve us.

 

I will observe that you have very succinctly and fairly stated an appraisal of the current political situation from the viewpoint of a person on the Right very well, indeed! I have held very similar viewpoints myself....

Now, I sincerely hope that someone on the Liberal Left will respond to the observations you have made -- not for the sake of argument, per se, but for the sake of "airing everything out" so that we can explore possibilities that, in spite of our significant differences, we can find paths to compromise and maybe even collaboration for our greater good!

My recurring nightmare? Our chief opponents and adversaries in the world don't have these issues on anything approaching the sheer scale that we have them in the United States. Both Russia and China are smart, well-organized, strong, and growing stronger every day....

 

'bless your heart' is codeword for 'I really don't know what to say and have no response'.

When you have visited Petrograd FKA Leningrad NKA St. Petersburg, know who the Romanovs were, know what Red October is, know how Trotsky got his name, know what 'Pravda' means in Russian and who wrote propaganda in a certain publication in Paris.....I could go on....but save your codewords, you lost.

It's funny how so many people are experts on Russia yet have likely never set foot in the federal republic.

 

Many have suggested that we get back to the actual constitution as it is written. If you read it, the federal government was only supposed to protect the union from external dangers and to mitigate problems between the states. Hell, there wasn't a permanent federal tax until 1913. There were no federal prisons for civilians until 1893.

I've suggested it here for everything from health care to social welfare, to education, etc. etc. etc. Not one of my friends on the left has ever said "that would work". No, they simply say it won't work and then go on talking about how we will eventually be assimilated by the borg, and that resistance is futile.

Sorry, but I don't think we have any choice but to kill each other until one side emerges victorious. The only question is whether that war has already started, or whether it will start shortly. There have been some skirmishes already, but there hasn't been a major battle yet.

 

Am sure most would agree. But to solve a problem, don't you first have to identify the cause?

 

Well, in fairness, I had asked folks in the "Liberal Left" to tell the rest of us what they want, and if they can think of ways for us to compromise. I didn't ask my colleagues on the Right to do anything but LISTEN. I do hope, however, that a two-way conversation takes place eventually -- if not in this thread, then in a different one, or in several different ones.... There's a LOT for us on both the Left and the RIGHT to discuss -- and we'd better get started pretty soon, Dairy. I'm more worried about the future of this country now than at any time since the worst of "Vietnam Era", and believe me, THAT was pretty bad....

 

But to solve a problem, don't you first have to identify the cause?
How are you going to get them to stop pointing fingers at each other long enough to listen?

 

If it really does get as bad as you envision, Belch, I doubt it will be settled by one side killing the other "until one side emerges victorious".

No, it is more likely that that the ever-more-powerful alliance of Russia and China would simply encourage our continued infighting and decay, and weaken us until they could simply topple us, take over everything we have, and lastly, push us into murky, impotent irrelevance....

 

The left wants to change the Constitution by stacking the SC with 2 more Bolshevik judges. Not properly with constitutional amendments.

The left wants to do away with the Electoral College and turn the country into a Democracy.

The left wants a communist form of government but they want to call it something else....democratic socialism per Bernie.

Exactly how much room is there to compromise with liberal leftists if they want to destroy capitalism and the constitution?

NONE.

 

I can only ask for everybody to put down their weaponry and start TALKING TO EACH OTHER in a way that has the REAL possibility of producing BENEFICIAL results for ALL of us. I'm not the 'Pied Piper', I'm not some 'great leader of men', and I have no reason to think that anybody is going to start dialogues with each other just because I have suggested it. But, I've been a veteran of this big political "trench warfare" in this Forum for over ten years, and I finally woke up and realized that nothing ANY of us is doing now is actually FIXING ANYTHING.

It is possible that nothing useful will come of this thread, or others like it (if there are any down the road). But at least we have to try harder than we have before, or we'll just continue with the same old 'axe-fight' until our adversaries and opponents come in eventually and settle the matter for us!

 

Maybe there are some on the 'Radical Right', a play on your 'Liberal Left', that would like to actually discuss. And maybe they have not responded in this thread, yet.
But there have been a few, and they have shown no intention of talk, they already know what they know.
In spite of those of us in the center and left giving some good start points and issues.

 

That's possible. What are our options? I truly can't think of any. We used to vote in order to ensure a peaceful change of government. What did the left do as soon as Trump won? They were in the streets chanting "Not my President".

 

The only republican I ever voted for was William Weld for governor back in the 80s