Horrible killing

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Bluesguy, Nov 4, 2022.

  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    FoxHastings said:
    NOTHING says it is.


    (c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution–

    (1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;""

    THAT SAYS IT ISN'T.







    You are dodging:

    NOW YOU TELL ME WHAT AUTHORITY THE UVVA HAS TO CHANGE LAW.

    YOU HAVEN'T




    No, that is not clear, it does not and cannot deem fetuses persons....it doesn't have the power....just your wishful thinking or deliberate misinterpretation.
    You can call it anything you want...HOW TF DOES THAT MAKE IT A PERSON?

    DO YOU REALLY THINK IF YOU CALL YOUR CAT A "CHILD" IT MAGICALLY BECOMES A LEGAL PERSON ??? REALLY !!!!!



    Why can't a fetus have a SSN ?

    WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE YOUR CIVIC DUTY AND CALLED THE COPS ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS YOU THINK ARE MURDER???

    You are dodging:

    NOW YOU TELL ME WHAT AUTHORITY THE UVVA HAS TO CHANGE LAW.

    YOU HAVEN'T


    :) OK, time for you to dodge the questions as you have been continually doing since you have no real answers :)
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    I call my cats my children. Does this mean I let them play outdoors or call the police if one is missing? When I see a show about Scott Peterson I am outraged about the murder of Lacey Peterson. Her fetus doesn't really enter the equation.
     
  3. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Nope it is clear.
    What does the word “ child” mean?
    a non human being?
    come on man!


     
  4. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    The UVVA isn’t somebody facetiously calling their ferret a child, it is a federal law!

    Every word in a federal law carries meaning. A child is widely accepted as meaning a juvenile human being.

    When the UVVA is applied, do you think it is applied to cats and dogs?


     
  5. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said:
    NOTHING says it is a human being as in legal person.


    (c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution–

    (1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;""

    THAT SAYS IT ISN'T.


    You are dodging:

    NOW YOU TELL ME WHAT AUTHORITY THE UVVA HAS TO CHANGE LAW.

    YOU HAVEN'T






    No, that is not clear, it does not and cannot deem fetuses persons....it doesn't have the power....just your wishful thinking or deliberate misinterpretation.
    You can call it anything you want...HOW TF DOES THAT MAKE IT A PERSON?

    DO YOU REALLY THINK IF YOU CALL YOUR CAT A "CHILD" IT MAGICALLY BECOMES A LEGAL PERSON ??? REALLY !!!!!


    WOW ! You think calling a cat a child will make it one !!!!



    Why can't a fetus have a SSN ?

    WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE YOUR CIVIC DUTY AND CALLED THE COPS ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS YOU THINK ARE MURDER???

    You are dodging:

    NOW YOU TELL ME WHAT AUTHORITY THE UVVA HAS TO CHANGE LAW.

    YOU HAVEN'T

    :) OK, time for you to dodge the questions as you have been continually doing since you have no real answers :)
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Boy, talk about circular reasoning.

    The UVVA is a law and a stupid and a wrong one
     
  7. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    A bipartisan passed one and one that is currently in effect!!!

    Just say it! Say when a law says “child” it does not mean a human being!
     
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  8. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    How many times do I have to explain to you that homicide is the killing of one human being by another, the definition says nothing about legality!!!!
     
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  9. FoxHastings

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    You've said a lot of things you can't back up nor address :)

    A fetus is not A human being......nor is it considered one by the UVVA.

    Hey have any of your cats become persons? :) :)



    FoxHastings said:
    NOTHING says it is a human being as in legal person.


    (c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution–

    (1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;""

    THAT SAYS IT ISN'T.


    You are dodging:

    NOW YOU TELL ME WHAT AUTHORITY THE UVVA HAS TO CHANGE LAW.

    YOU HAVEN'T





    No, that is not clear, it does not and cannot deem fetuses persons....it doesn't have the power....just your wishful thinking or deliberate misinterpretation.
    You can call it anything you want...HOW TF DOES THAT MAKE IT A PERSON?

    DO YOU REALLY THINK IF YOU CALL YOUR CAT A "CHILD" IT MAGICALLY BECOMES A LEGAL PERSON ??? REALLY !!!!!


    WOW ! You think calling a cat a child will make it one !!!!



    Why can't a fetus have a SSN ?

    WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE YOUR CIVIC DUTY AND CALLED THE COPS ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS YOU THINK ARE MURDER???

    You are dodging:

    NOW YOU TELL ME WHAT AUTHORITY THE UVVA HAS TO CHANGE LAW.

    YOU HAVEN'T

    :) OK, time for you to dodge the questions as you have been continually doing since you have no real answers :)
     
  10. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    A human fetus is legally a child, which is a person. So clearly you are incorrect!

    When a federal law calls an entity a child, it clearly recognizes that entity’s personhood!

    Glad I could at least try to educate you.

     
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  11. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    SO WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE YOUR CIVIC DUTY AND CALLED THE POLICE?

    YES, I KNOW THAT'S ANOTHER INCONVENIENT QUESTION YOU HAVE TO AVOID.

    SORRY , THAT FACTS DID NOT EDUCATE YOU.

    FoxHastings said:
    You've said a lot of things you can't back up nor address :)

    A fetus is not A human being......nor is it considered one by the UVVA.

    Hey have any of your cats become persons? :) :)



    FoxHastings said:
    NOTHING says it is a human being as in legal person.


    (c) Nothing in this section shall be construed to permit the prosecution–

    (1) of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf, has been obtained or for which such consent is implied by law;""

    THAT SAYS IT ISN'T.

    You are dodging:

    NOW YOU TELL ME WHAT AUTHORITY THE UVVA HAS TO CHANGE LAW.

    YOU HAVEN'T





    No, that is not clear, it does not and cannot deem fetuses persons....it doesn't have the power....just your wishful thinking or deliberate misinterpretation.
    You can call it anything you want...HOW TF DOES THAT MAKE IT A PERSON?

    DO YOU REALLY THINK IF YOU CALL YOUR CAT A "CHILD" IT MAGICALLY BECOMES A LEGAL PERSON ??? REALLY !!!!!

    WOW ! You think calling a cat a child will make it one !!!!



    Why can't a fetus have a SSN ?

    WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE YOUR CIVIC DUTY AND CALLED THE COPS ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS YOU THINK ARE MURDER???

    You are dodging:

    NOW YOU TELL ME WHAT AUTHORITY THE UVVA HAS TO CHANGE LAW.

    YOU HAVEN'T

    :) OK, time for you to dodge the questions as you have been continually doing since you have no real answers :)



    ANYONE CAN SEE YOU CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS WHICH MEANS YOU KNOW YOU ARE WRONG :)

    SCREAMING , "IT'S HOMICIDE, IT'S HOMICIDE" DOESN'T HAVE ANY MEANING :) and is no argument at all
     
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  12. Whaler17

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    It is homicide, so the truth always has meaning! BTW are you ok? Normal people do not post in all CAPS all the time.

    Recognizing abortion is a homicide is the first step toward understanding how off base we have been since 1973.

    The thresholds pro abortion folks throw out there are arbitrary and nonsensical. None of them have any legitimacy. A human being exists at conception. That is the only credible threshold!



     
  13. FoxHastings

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    To you maybe :roflol: ( and then you NEGLECT your civic ( and LEGAL )duty by NOT reporting these homicides !!!!!

    You have never shown any legitimacy for your claims...ever.....

    And I like big letters to draw attention to your lack of answers :)

    ANYONE CAN SEE YOU CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS WHICH MEANS YOU KNOW YOU ARE WRONG :)

    SCREAMING , "IT'S HOMICIDE, IT'S HOMICIDE" DOESN'T HAVE ANY MEANING :) and is no argument at all
     
  14. Whaler17

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    Bless your heart.
    pinned down and can’t find a way out. Out of frustration you color your rantings and blow up the font hoping nobody will see the desperation behind it.

    I hope you awaken to the horrific act abortion is.


     
  15. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said:
    To you maybe :roflol: ( and then you NEGLECT your civic ( and LEGAL )duty by NOT reporting these homicides !!!!!

    You have never shown any legitimacy for your claims...ever.....

    And I like big letters to draw attention to your lack of answers :)

    ANYONE CAN SEE YOU CAN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS WHICH MEANS YOU KNOW YOU ARE WRONG :)

    SCREAMING , "IT'S HOMICIDE, IT'S HOMICIDE" DOESN'T HAVE ANY MEANING :) and is no argument at all



    It isn't....


    How TF am I pinned down...it's YOU who can't answer questions or refute the facts...:)
     
  16. Whaler17

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    More big type, more red color, still no substance. Tell me where I am wrong in my previous assertions.
     
  17. Nwolfe35

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    Then I guess you can answer the question that NO pro lifer I have asked has been able to.

    What makes something a human being and how is that done at "conception"?
     
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    Well first lets start with what is a human being. A human being is a unique human individual. Now lets explore the life cycle of a human being. All human beings begin life at conception. This is scientifically indisputable. So there you have it! All other thresholds are not scientifically sound. “ personhood” is a political term, not a scientific one, and science doesn’t back the pro abort version of the definition of the term. The truth is that science cannot pinpoint at what point in the pregnancy term the human being gains sentience. So this is a silly threshold since it is likely not a pinpoint point in the pregnancy for every human being out there, it is a faulty threshold to justify a homicide with. Viability is stupid because the term has been bas tardized . It clearly means a fetus who is expected to grow and develop normally if not disturbed, but pro aborts make up their own self serving definition. But even it is stupid, because a newborn and a toddler cannot survive independently outside the womb without the intervention of other people.
     
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    Except your definition is circular

    What is a human being? It is a unique human individual.

    Human being and human individual are the exact same thing. That's like saying "What is an apple" "It is an apple", your definition is meaningless.

    What differentiates a human being from, let's say, a chimpanzee. What makes a skin cell being cultured in a lab different from a human being?
     
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    Not circular at all. If we don’t know what a human being is how can we have human rights for anyone?

    A living animal being of the genus Homo Sapien. Is that more to your liking? Doesn’t change anything. All of my other points still apply perfectly.

     
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    Or unless the baby is non viable a huge proportion (near 98%) of third term abortions are basically euthanasia for those poor wee ones never destined to live, one story I read the woman resisted the thought of abortion even though she knew the foetus was non-viable but it was the thought that the baby would suffer during the birth that drover her to terminate
     
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    Is a fetus alive?
    Is a fetus created by a male and a female human being a human fetus?
     
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    Oh let's see proof of that statement t since I have repeated shown otherwise.
     
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    Very simply existing and alive.
     
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    False assumption

    "So, why do these babies die? The Guttmacher Institute has looked at the reasons for late-term abortion, and the reasons are chilling. First, the top-line finding is clear: “[D]ata suggest that most women seeking later terminations are not doing so for reasons of fetal anomaly or life endangerment.” Instead, there were “five general profiles of women who sought later abortions, describing 80% of the sample.” These women were “raising children alone, were depressed or using illicit substances, were in conflict with a male partner or experiencing domestic violence, had trouble deciding and then had access problems, or were young and nulliparous [had never given birth].”
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/truth-about-late-term-abortions/
     
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