How can God die?

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  1. Anobsitar

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    Good idea to write a book with the title "The reincarnation of the Pizza - american ways in the 21st century" and best wishes for your meeting with Satan.

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    My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning? My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, but I find no rest. Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the praise of Israel. In you our ancestors put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them. They cried to you and were saved; in you they trusted and were not disappointed. But I am a worm, not a human being; I am scorned by everyone, despised by the people. All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads. 'He trusts in the Lord,' they say, 'let the Lord rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.' Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me feel secure on my mother's breast. From birth I was cast on you; from my mother's womb you have been my God. Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no-one to help. Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan encircle me. Roaring lions that tear their prey open their mouths wide against me. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted within me. My mouth is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me in the dust of death. Dogs surround me, a pack of villains encircles me; they pierce my hands and my feet. All my bones are on display; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garment. But you, Lord, do not be far from me. You are my strength; come quickly to help me. Deliver me from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dogs. Rescue me from the mouth of the lions; save me from the horns of the wild oxen. I will declare your name to my people; in the assembly I will praise you. You who fear the Lord, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honour him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel! For he has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help. From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly; before those who fear you I will fulfil my vows. The poor will eat and be satisfied; those who seek the Lord will praise him— may your hearts live for ever! All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the Lord, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him, for dominion belongs to the Lord and he rules over the nations. All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him— those who cannot keep themselves alive. Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord. They will proclaim his righteousness, declaring to a people yet unborn: he has done it!http://youtu.be/ARNiv8MR4JE

    Psalm 22
     
  3. Independent77

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    That portion of God, which was the Word, died and went to hell where he released other captives from their chains. This is in the Book of Peter. The humanity, that was Jesus, died and rose again. The part of God who is known as the Father and who is known as the Holy Spirit, did not die but did allow that part of God known as the Son to be seperated and desend into Hell. God the Father was there to raise God the Son out of Hell and to resurrect the human body in the process.
     
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    Are they going to make a film of it?
    Could be a smash hit comedy .
     
  5. Anobsitar

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    Fine weather in your sunken bathtube?

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  6. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, your first statement doesn't augur well for your grasp of history or argument. Who is my 'Mighty No-God? You just rant the same drivel at everyone without sense or understanding, don't you? I'll discuss what I please: you the Spanish Inquisition or something? I have never told Christians they are idiots, but cynical fundamentalists are not Christians: they worship Mammon, lies and bullying, and many of them are certainly pretty thick with it.
     
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    What passage in Peter are you referring to.

    Here is a passage from Peter that appears to say something completely different.

    2 Peter 1:17,18
    If God and Jesus are one, then why would Jesus need to "receive anything". Would he not already have it.

    Further .. It clearly has God .. In a voice from heaven while Jesus was on earth ... say "this is my son ... "

    It is understandable why early Christians thought Jesus was subordinate to the Father.
     
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    exactly

    God cannot be killed therefore the Jesus story as the Quran says has been corrupted.

    Muslims do not believe Jesus is God.

    Jesus was a prophet nothing more.
     
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    page from a bible written in Aramaic kept in Turkey and about to be sent to the pope in Vatican which supressed it for centuries which states Mohammed PBUH was coming after Jesus
     
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    Muslims believe that Jesus PBUH did not die on that cross.
    He was lifted up and the Quran says it only appeared to be so that he died.

    That means that Jesus did not die and still is alive in heaven. He is the only prophet who as man did not die. The rest all did die.

    That's why we all believe that Jesus PBUH is the only one able to return to earth, still alive, the saviour, the messiah, at the end of the world.
    The other prophets can't return because to man they all died on earth. Only Jesus PBUH can do that as he is still alive. Never died.

    The Quran is right. There is only one Quran but many bibles and beliefs.
    Jesus PBUH is not God. There is no trinity as that was something made up that came a long time after by the catholic church.
    God simply cannot die.
    Jesus PBUH will return to earth.
    Then he will die.
     
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    So you are saying that those who knew Jesus best lied? And why would people be willing to die for something that they knew was not true? God chose to become a mortal man. Do you think that God can be all powerful if there is something that He cannot do?
     
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    I am a cynical fundamentalistic Christian. That's why I say smilingly: What a luck that you are not the same hypocrite as all others. I heard some of the many of them have even a green skin on green Friday, a grey skin on Ash Wednesday and a rainbow skin after a drunken bawl.

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    He allowed himself to. BECAUSE he was the final pure once and for all blood sacrifice for mankind's sins. Why is blood required for purification, for the expunging of sin so that man can be in God's presence? I don't know. I guess we'll find out one day. Only God knows. Same way that only Global Scientists know whether destroying all the Co2 is necessary to preserve the existence of the world. you're buying it. What can i say.
     
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    If you are an American fundamentalist you are not a Christian - that I can tell you. What the rest of your posting means I hope you know. I don't.
     
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    A fundamentalist believes that the bible is inerringly accurate. There's no shame in that. Takes just as much faith in nothing to be an atheist. more maybe. Because an atheist must deny what is in his very being.
     
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    The belief in nothing, is not as easy as first appears. It requires far more than a athesit approach but deep rooted nihilistic beliefs.

    First become atheist to denounce god, from there now embrace the nature of nihilism. Turn your back on sciencetific logica then yawn in the face of philosophical beliefs.

    This view is best found in the film "the big lebowski"

    With a true nihilist showing the belief, in all its glory (the nihilist blind drunk and alseep on a rubber dingy in a swimming pool, with the bottle of whiskey floating near by)
     
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    One must deny science, history, geology, and so forth to believe the Bible is inerringly accurate.

    Even if one denies all that there are still problems with a literal interpretation of everything in the Bible because of the numerous contradictions and logical inconsistencies. (God commanding "dont kill" and then ordering the wanton killing of all women and children in various cities)

    Now you have to abandon all logic, and rational thought in order to maintain your beliefs and even doing this is inconsistent with the Bible because the Bible tells us to seek knowledge/wisdom.
     
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    The Bible tells us why.......the wages for sin is death......Jesus whom is the Word and is God mentioned in John 1:1, 14, became a human being in order to pay that price for all of us......Jesus took on all the sins of man, past, present and future. If we had to do it we would be only able to pay the price for our own sin, and that would mean that we would not be saved because we would be getting what we deserved, and so we would never be in the kingdom and God's plan for man would have died with us. This would also mean that God failed.
     
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    Every Christian is always a fundamental Christian. And wether Mr. Jodocus Smith-Wesson in Pennsylvania is a Christian or not is something what I just simple don't know. But I know some things about the christian message and so everyone else who follows christian messages is my friend. If I should trust in a wrong friend then I have to suffer the consequences - not you. And I'm ready to suffer because I trust or love someone.

    I know normally what I say. The problem in your case is perhaps that I'm the idiot who speaks with you - if I would not speak with you there would be no need for you to try to understand my words. Perhaps the english speaking world grew indeed so crying loud that it is often a very silent world - how Simon and Garfunkel noticed a long time ago.

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    No Christian denies truth - otherwise he would deny god. If you are not able to convince someone that something is true then there are always two possiblities: either he's not able to see the truth or you are not able to see the truth. But this doesn't mean that someone has an evil will nor does this mean that the people should not love each other.

    I heard some years ago a black african in TV who had studied a long time ago once in Germany and he said what he loved most during this time was it that Germans are able to kill each other with words in hot discussions in the university - and after this very hot discussions the worst enemies were going to drink a beer together.

    If you have problems then let me explain to you some very easy things to the rule "do not murder". I tell you just simple the result of my thoughts: "Do not murder" means not only not to murder a human being - it means also not to murder an animal or to destroy any life without very good reasons. This I found true and everyone who is not follwing the rule "do not kill" is in my eyes not a good Christian. End of message. Think about or let it be. That's the whole discussion.

    The bible is important for human beings - the bible is not important for god. Same with the Koran, Quran or however someone likes to say to the words of Mohamed written there. The Quran is not important for god. Human beings are important for god - every single human being. And whoever kills one of his children because he has the illusion paper is more important than human beings is as a murderer fighting against the natural unalienable rights of all human beings. Everyone has to answer god one day what he had done on what reasons. Also Muslims are not priviledged.

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    God is never killed. God has no birth and death. But comes in human form in EVERY GENERATION to preach the divine knowledge by entering in a beloved devotee of Him just called as Son of God. Thus Krishna, Rama, Jesus, Bhudha, Mohmmad etc were Son of God of their respective time in which GOd entered in them to preach the people. God has entered . At the time of death of those Son of God, the outer body is shed here on this earth since it goes back to soil, the soul of Son of God went to upper world. God has no death or birth.

    Even in case of an ordinary person when he dies his outer body is shed here but soul goes to the upperworld.
     
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    In your everyday life , are you a comedy script writer ?
    Shorten your jokes , sharpen the punch lines ?
    You will crucify them .
     
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    I'm probably late coming to this thread, but I really hope that someone has already pointed out to you that Jesus wasn't a God and that God was his father.

    You never heard "Jesus the son of God?"

    Now, I have to go, because I can tell already that this retarded thread is going to (*)(*)(*)(*) me off.
     
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    Son of GOd means a beloved devotee of God in to which God enters so that He can come to this world in human form to preach the divine knowledge to all here on this earth....
     
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    That is not what it means....... but that is what you want it to mean.
     

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