How does a secular or atheist person get a religious and / or spiritual experience?

not talking any specific place or religion

but often, any great site was often another religion's great site first

even the religions are often rewrites of religions that can before them

 

I do, but what does this have to do with this so called 'oldest bible in the world?'

 

you just said you though it was a fake

 

Not rewrites, but leading up to a greater revelation since nothing can come out of nothing. There has to be a gradual build up of knowledge in spiritual matters, as well as in everything else.

It might be a fake - which it probably is, but it might be the actual pseudo gospel attributed to Barnabus that led to Islam, since Islam did start off as a Christian heresy.

This is what I found in Wikipedia:

Two manuscripts are known to have existed, both dated to the late 16th or early 17th centuries, with one written in Italian and the other in Spanish, its text surviving only in a partial 18th-century transcript.

In some key respects, it conforms to the Islamic interpretation of Christian origins and contradicts the New Testament teachings of Christianity.

This work should not be confused with the surviving Epistle of Barnabas, nor with the surviving Acts of Barnabas.
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The oldest manuscript of the Bible was found surprisingly by a German professor in Saint Catherine's Monastery in Sinai. The monastery survived the Islamic onslaught, because it was protected by a letter from Mohamed who had visited it.

Other than that, there might be some old copies in the Monasteries of Mount Athos and Vatican because of the Ottoman takeover of Constantinople. Maybe also at the Louvre because of the 4th Crusade and the rape of the city by the Franks - although I doubt it.

The stolen relics can now be found in the churches of Europe. This is the reason the Shroud of Turin is traced back to a French nobleman living in Athens in the 12th or 13th century. It's also why the authentic 'Mandilla' with Jesus' face is in a small church in Italy.

This is an image of Saint Catherine's Monastery at the foot of Mount Sinai, where Moses received the Ten Commandments. It was built around the time of Justinian in the 6th century.



And this is an image of the actual burning bush at Saint Catherine's.

 

Fake or not, should the literature not be judged on it's moral value?

Religions tend to say they own the good values we naturally all adhere to.

They lie.

Even if fully fake, if any new work is found to have moral wisdom, that is what should be accentuated and not it's authenticity.

If it does not show a better set of laws or rules to live by, it is of little value.

Regards
DL

 

Fake? No, I'm sure that it's totally REAL! However, it's what to CALL it that we're debating. You're calling it a bible with no evidence.

 

what is the evidence your bible is a bible

do you know the real names of the people that wrote it, when they were born, ect....

 

Agreement among every relevant scholar ever.

 

because it meets the same definition of religious texts as the one we are referring too

 

How do you know what definition the so called 'oldest bible' meets?

 

I get it, your worried it is the real deal, it's all myth, then and now, so doesn't really matter - just back then it seems Christians did not believe Jesus was Crucified, that is a modern belief

 

Okay, so you have NO IDEA what definition the so called 'oldest bible' meets!