How does being allowed to carry a concealed weapon

Marriage you have a point, I really don't follow it

And driver license also is applicable, but since the common denominator involved is being able to drive a car, the individual particulars between States don't really differ that much, more of a convenience and courtesy thing between States. Guns don't follow under the same considerations

Plus traveling with the gun is a privilege, but not a right, so I still don't understand why there is a need to make one State that has decided to enforce strict gun laws have to allow people from States with loose gun laws to carry their weapons in the State they are visiting

 

Changing the goal posts here. I thought we were talking about concealed carry permits, not open carry. Or do you not realize the difference between the two?
There is no state where carrying concealed is banned.

 

States should not honor other states drivers licenses or vehicle license plates either. Before a person can cross a state border, they should have to obtain a drivers license, vehicle license plate and vehicle inspection sticker of their owns state?.

Why should one state allow drivers from states with higher accident rates? Why should 1 state have to accept standards of another state different from their own - or even allow people from other states to drive in their own state? Why should any state allow a Florida licensed car, which do not have safety inspection stickers, on their roads?

 

Driving is also a privilege not a right.

Why should my interstate travel be made illegal by fascist states?

 

A bit off subject but liberals are the reason for violence in Chicago. Had to be said.

 

I think the argument is that if a state government determines to require their state's citizens to be defenseless victims of assault, rape and murder shouldn't everyone else who comes into their state also have the same required prohibition against self defense? Shouldn't their be an equal opportunity right to rape and murder people regardless of what state the person is from?

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Since this involves a defined right within the US Constitution's Bill of Rights as a federal right, then it should be a federal right.

 

You must be one tough hombre. If my family is assaulted by someone with a gun or by a group of thugs that would overwhelm me, I need a gun!

 

Oh really when.did utopia become the 51st state?

 

Yeah thats why you have a choice. No one forces you to buy a gun like they do healthcare. If you want to protect your family with kah rah tay thats your decision...Why do you feel the need to tell others how they can protect themselves or their family? Guns supersede your opinion because the constitution says so. If you do not like that you are free to leave and live in one of the many gun free nations on earth. Here in the U.S. Guns will never go anywhere...ever for a simple reason..a man who gave up his right to own a gun will never disarm someone who refuses. How would you do it....get a gun?

 

Maybe I wasn't clear enough. Let's say the only person in the room (or mall, or wherever) who has a concealed weapon is the one with the CCW permit from Oregon. Now if CA does not allow Oregon CCW holders to carry in CA, then no one in the room has a concealed weapon, and people are less safe. In other words, the more law abiding citizens carrying concealed weapons there are, the safer we all are from criminal attack.

 

Statistically, there is a much greater probability that someone in your family will get hurt by the gun than another assaulting you with a gun

 

Lol, you said you were in the army, so you know that that statement is ridiculous. 10 minutes of safety training is enough to make gun ownership perfectly safe. Certainly safer than not having a gun.

 

To travel from one carry state to another with reciprocity. In that case it is legal federally but in some states that do not recognize your states reciprocity the it must by stored in the trunk or not readily available.

What makes you think a citizen that has passed a background check is more dangerous than a cop?

 

Fortunately I'm not a statistic and if someone assaults my family they will be shot. You may be some kind of James Bond martial arts expert that can take on anyone at any time or multiple attackers but I can't. "God made man, Sam Colt made them equal."

 

Theres also a higher probability of drowning in your pool rather than your porch. Do you fill the pool in?

 

Spoken like someone who has never been the victim of a violent crime. Am I in the ballpark here?

Ever had a gun stuck in your face and WISHED you were armed?

I'm licensed to carry and I carry nearly everywhere I go. People who are licensed to carry - concealed or open carry - are the last ones anyone needs to worry about from the standpoint of THEM becoming the aggressor. It rarely happens.

If you and I are in a store that does not properly display the sign prohibiting carrying of firearms (which is required, otherwise they are allowed!), and someone starts opening up like the idiot did at the Ft. Lauderdale airport -- buddy, you will wish to God that this 25-year veteran combat Soldier was near you to save your behind!

I will defend my fellow citizens against the animals among us. I swore that oath as a Soldier - and just because I am no longer on active duty, does not mean I have stopped being a Soldier!

THAT is why people who have undergone the proper screening and training should have the right to carry weapons!

Cops can't always be there nearly fast enough. Even stupid criminals aren't stupid enough to start picking people off when a cop is around...unless they're going for "suicide by cop".

If it's a cop in plain clothes or off-duty -- that's the same exact thing as having a licensed carrier in the area: to save lives.

It's just that simple.

 

I said "greater level of security". I don't expect trouble or do I fear it, but like fastening my seat belt I enjoy the added security it provides! I'm sorry that in your world U.S. citizens must evaluate the dangers associated within certain states and if they have a record of violence then shouldn't be visited! Unfortunately no state can guarantee your safety, random acts of violence happen and that's just a fact of life! If you feel the answer is to avoid places in the U.S. then criminals have already beaten you and if you're counting of state law enforcement to be there to protect you 24/7 then you are delusional at best!

 

Nicely put!

 

Traveling is a right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law

Keeping and bearing arms is a right. (please see Bill of Rights)

How are the two combined a privilege?

 

You can look at the state CCW data.

Florida, for example, has issued over 3 million CCW licenses. Just 0.3% of those licences have been revoked for ANY reason. Your CCW can be revoked for accidentally carrying into a post office, restraining orders (valid or not), and a thousand other things besides murder.

In no case where CCW laws have been implemented has crime gone up. On the contrary, it goes down.

 

Do you own a ladder or keep bug spray in your house?

Do you put your family in that death trap known as a car?

Do you own a bathtub? Bathtubs kill 6 times more people than guns.

Why do you bring in the items most statistically likely to kill your family if so?

Guns are by far safer items.

 

Your cherry picking is not persuasive. DC has the highest gun murder per capita stats in the country, and it's majority black, solid Democrat. Maryland is 4th highest. Delaware, 6th. Michigan, 7th. California 13th. All blue states for the most part. As for red states - North Dakota is 4th lowest, followed by Iowa, then Utah. Idaho and Wyoming are near the bottom, as well.

And if you really wanted to dig into states like Missouri, Alabama, Lousiana, and others (and I suspect you don't), you'd find that certain Democratic voting blocs commit a disproportionately high amount of the gun murders in those states, and almost all of them are happening in urban areas controlled by Democrats, such as New Orleans and St Louis, two of the most violent cities in the country.

That would be like asking why a state like Utah needs to respect the marriage of two homosexuals who got married in Massachusetts. Somehow I think you'd have a different perspective on that one.

 

Why keep a fire extinguisher if you're not employed by the FD too while we're at it?

Don't worry about CCW holders. They are all around you in public places, and I'm willing to bet that none of them have ever tried to rob you at gun point with their legal concealed weapons.

Don't like it? Don't CCW. Whichever you decide though, remember to mind your own business. Everyone is better off that way.

Nighty night.

 

I'm safer if I'm allowed to continue to defend myself when I leave the state.

Anything else?

 

It's high time it becomes the law of the land. Whenever you have people who make a stand and defend themselves wherever that happens to be becomes that much safer. I'm not talking the wild west here but lawful gun owners. These folks are all about safety it's the criminal element that creates unsafe environments and the reason why everyone should exercise their second amendment rights.When the government gets serious about violent crime the whole argument for gun control will become moot but right now Obama is handing out pardons like candy to dangerous people who should never see the light of day. The liberal mantra is that all guns are bad and that's ridiculous on the face of it, it's bad people with guns that are bad. Deal with that in a realistic effective way and gun violence will disappear.