How Many people, at a Minimum, would it take to carry 9/11 Inside job?

Only in your world Mr. Engineer, where buildings come down globally at free fall from office fires. When you reason like that, everything is possible and millions are involved in conspiracies. I would suggest you look up the term "compartmentalization" but I know how you hate dictionaries.

Thank you, I noticed he said buildings aren't CD'd that way, which of course is not true and makes my guess correct. He apparently only knows classic CDs. I once posted a video of a top down CD that looked similar to the WTC1 or WTC2 "collapse". I know you're desperately trying to defend the NIST "collapse" theories for all 3 towers despite that you contradict yourself when you say you believe their reports are not valid. But it doesn't change the fact that buildings just don't "collapse" globally, symmetrically and at a near constant accelerating rate (free fall in one case) from fires, planes or both. There's a science you should intimately be familiar with Mr. Engineer whose basic laws make such events impossible. Elementary reasoning says there's a very good reason why the twins could not be CD'd in classical fashion, they were after all about twice the height of WTC7 and as seen in videos, they were both destroyed similarly.

 

True, your OP is clearly aimed at MIHOP people; they are easy targets. Hell, you even stipulated that they had to believe "the whole thing. All the Crash sites, planes, etc." even though there are various contradictory MIHOP theories which would mean that people would have to pick one (i.e. thermite, DEW, nukes, remote controlled planes, no planes, etc etc), so I'm not sure who you think believes "the whole thing".

However, the definition of "inside job" doesn't change for the convenience of your thread.

 

so now you're smarter than Jowenko and know more about CDs? ... did you read everything he had to say including where collapses started and how the CD components would have been destroyed? ...

regarding conspirators, you don't believe that whoever "rigged the buildings" were part of the conspiracy? ... you don't have to answer that of course because the buildings were not rigged for CD ...

 

IIRC the entire CD idea came from somebody on a Libertarian email list in 2002-2003. We found this out at the JREF, now Intl Sceptics, forum. Seems the conspiracy folks(who overlap heavily with some Libertarian groups) took it up to see how far it would go. Early days was Steven Jones "just asking questions". Then there was Hoffman with his exploding ceiling tiles. Someone needs to ask Hoffman wtf he got that idea and whether he believes any of this (*)(*)(*)(*) now.

Anyway, the latest iteration from Richard Gage's fake non profit came after Jones lost credibility as a scientist. The point is, the CD theory changes based on what the current crop of "truthers" will actually believe. And even Jones et al, weren't sure if they could sell it. Some of the first places they took it on a 'test drive' was ufo conspiracy forums:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message212489/pg1
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread287373/pg1

The thermate theory of so-called "controlled demolition" of the World Trade
Center towers has apparently been debunked by its own leading proponent, Los Alamos weapons developer Steven E. Jones.

Ironic considering. Only after that, and massaging the "theory", did they try to sell it to the non alien believing public.

This is somewhat besides the point. At least one truther Jowenko supports his position, and unfortunately Jowenko is too dead to correct him. But Steven Jones isn't dead. One has to wonder why he isn't here or in the media defending CD if he really believes it was used to kill 3,000 people.

 

That forum is the worst place to get information. They block a lot of truther info there. The pro-official version posters just talk to each other and don't have to deal with real quesions from real truthers.

Several years ago I tried to start a thread with the same info that's in post #1 of this thread on the JREF forum.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

The forum is programmed not to accept posts that have over a certain number of links so it was impossible so I posted that above link in several posts such as this one.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8033032&postcount=1

As you can see, the moderator simply removed them; it was impossible for me to show the viewers that info at JREF. It seems to be a government damage-control site that's trying to keep people thinking inside the box so the moderators delete anything that the disinfo agents working the forum can't try to obfuscate without looking silly.

Log in and go to the "Abandon All Hope" section to see posts of mine that got deleted. Whenever I started getting the upper hand in a debate, the posts in which I'd made my main points would get deleted.

 

You never get the upper hand in any debate, you are a dishonest person who has no capacity to do proper conspiracy research.

 

So is it your opinion that those pro-official version posters have the upper hand in this thread?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8033032#post8033032

Tell us what you think of the deleted link. It's impossible to show the viewers that info on that forum. Do you approve of that?

 

I believe you suffer from delusion. You have been posting that same hogwash about Collin's jacket for so long you think that it means something.

I made a whole series of videos showing how stupid your claim is and you chose to carry on making the same claims regardless. You are just too sad for words. That footage is replete with weightlessness. I very much approve of you being banned, your posts deleted and even more. People like you shouldn't be allowed near the internet. You are a comedy diversion.

Did that answer your question?

 

Only an insane person can fail to see the irony about complaining about spam whilst posting off topic spam in a 911 forum. Your post was not about the moon hoax, since it wasn't hoaxed. It is a mishmash of stupidity, repetition and lies. It has been addressed all over the web and notably in my blog:-

http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/

You are a liar. The post above demonstrates this.

Your opinion is actually 100% accurate. The problem is that you ignore where your pathetic theory fails, repeat your claims so many times that people assume you are blind and spam your "info" to such a degree that it becomes insanity and falls under the classification of spamming. If. you adhered to that opinion, debated in good faith and had the slightest ability to alter your ridiculous viewpoints then you would have the right to claim injustice. You do none of that, hence why you shouldn't be allowed near a computer

I already addressed that. You never get the upper hand. Let me draw you an analogy.

You are playing Texas Hold 'em. Your opponents have: Seat 1 a flush, seat 2 a straight, seat 3 a full house, seat 4 a royal flush. You did have 7 high but now have no cards since you used them to wipe your butt!

Does that address it any better for you!

 

I see we've moved from UFO/alien believers who push 911 truth, to Moon Hoax believers pushing 9/11 truth. And they wonder why people call them conspiracy theorists...

I will make another valiant attempt to reach those drinking too much Kool-aid:

1. If the evidence is so "crushing" or whatever, then why isn't Steven Jones, Harrit , Richard Gage trying to get media engagements to spread their message? (Real media, not "Infowars"). I think I have the answer to this one, but I'll let truthers have their piece first.

2. Equally important: why aren't they here themselves defending their theories instead of an ad hoc group of believers who have no scientific background?

3. And, also important, if this work was really responsible for killing 3,000 people, then why hasn't the NWO or whoever you think is responsible, why are Steven Jones, Harrit and Gage still alive and still in business?

 

Hey Scott, any chance you want to answer the OP? ...

 

At some point you have to give up the "they're in on it" idea and accept the real reason is because your conspiracy is unfounded and not news worthy. "The press wants to keep people inside the box"? The press has many real problems, but censoring sensational news is not one of them.

As for the press not covering truther info, if you really were around at the Loose Change forums, you know this not to be the case.
Dylan Avery was on Democracy Now:
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/9/11/exclusive_9_11_debate_loose_change

Steven Jones was covered by FOX:
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Aug06/0,4670,Sept11Conspiracies,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/0...oversial-univ-lecturer-theories-about-11.html

And his friend Fetzer has had numerous FOX news appearances. As much as I despise FOX, it is part of MSM, albeit an extreme right form. The point is, the media were covering truthers in 2006.

Then they stopped and truthers turned to Inforwars, RBN and other fringe outlets. I think the reason is the real media found out it was all smoke and mirrors and there was no story beyond conspiracy theorists being duped.

But what I think is beside the point. Steven Jones, Richard Gage and Neils Harrit claim to believe they have evidence of the murder of 3,000 people. They should be agitating to get media attention all the time. Why don't they bother? This is life and death...well according to them.

They aren't the only truthers failing to follow through with their alleged beliefs and avoiding the press. That chick Broulliet who use to run the San Francisco twoofer group, no one hears about any more, or Cindy Sheehan and Janice Matthews. Truther loon Kevin Barrett actually lost his wikipedia page( inb4 claims that Wikipedia is "in on it").

There is a reason they are avoiding the MSM lime light these days. Let's see if you can figure it out.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/insights-into-the-personalities-conspiracy-theorists/

 

I don't subscribe to the consp-theory that says "The government did 9/11 to get an excuse for invading the mideast", for the simple reason the US already had an excuse because the WTC had already been truck-bombed some years before!

 

(from post #63)

http://www.globalresearch.ca/weapon...ory-disinformation-agents-and-the-cia/5524552
http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com.es/2012/03/radical-rethinking-of-conspiracy.html
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/08/31/are-you-a-mind-controlled-cia-stooge-paul-craig-roberts/
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20081110_america_the_illiterate

It did give them a bigger excuse though. Anyway, the proof that the government did it is crushing so it's kind of a moot point.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=456423&p=1066183060#post1066183060

 

answer the OP Scott ... be the first truther to step up to the plate ...

 

Do you mean post #1? You're exaggerating its importance. I addressed the issue in post #28.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=477904&page=3&p=1066708776#post1066708776

Post #29 was a good follow-up. You seem to have the attitude that our not knowing exactly how many people were in on it somehow disproves all of the crushing proof that it was an inside job. Is that what you're saying?

 

Personally, I think you will get more accurate information by putting your questions to the Israeli Mossad, the CIA, the Saudi Military intelligence Service, the joint Chiefs of Staff, the Zionist controlled city of New York officials.

 

typical truther ... never answers question but keeps asking them ... it's just a hypothetical question Scott ... just take a guess ffs ... nobody is asking you "exactly" how many people were in on it ...

this isn't about Moon Landings or JFK ... answer the OP or get (*)(*)(*)(*) ...

 

You're ignoring the point I made. The proof that the government did it is conclusive.
http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=456423&p=1066183060#post1066183060

Our not knowing exactly who the people were who planned it and carried it out doesn't make the conclusive proof go away.

If you come home and your house has been burglarized and the police never figure out who the burglars were, does that mean there was no burglary?

I dealt with the issue who the culprits might have been in the link. Take a look.

 

Here's my list:

Cheney
Rumsfeld (Richard Perle was probably in on it, too)
One AF general with the authority to cancel the military exercises on 9/11
Netanyahu
One (possibly Mossad) courier between Netanyahu and bin Laden
bin Laden

That's a total of 6. Bush was out of the loop because he was too dumb to allow in. Neither Atta nor the other terrorists had to know a thing about a grand conspiracy.

 

:^)
So... You're saying it was NOT so much an inside job as I describe, but LIHOP (Let it happen).
IOW, you also have NO answer.
In fact, LIHOP is Unwttingly admitting all the events that Conspiracy Crackpots question (bldg 7, demolition, Falling Rates, hole-in-pentagon too small, etc x100), are INcorrect.

How did Rumsfeld and Cheney find out? They were both OK with Thousands/Tens of Thousands of citizens dying?

A "courier between Netanyahu and bin Laden"?
On what evidentiary Basis do you drag Israel in?
Richard Perle, no less! Who told him? Netanyahu? The giant Jew/Mossad/Goldman-Sachs/Fed/NWO network?
You forgot Paul Wolfowitz, Henry Kissinger, and 'the Rothschilds.'

 

A sufficient number would be required. Unless one was in on the planning and execution, a number cannot be provided.

But clearly, the number involved was sufficient. Zakheim, Rumsfeld, Krongard, Cheney, a number of generals, a number of lower ranking officers, however many it took to prepare the buildings, at least several FBI agents involved in Pennsylvania, and on and on.

Quite a few I suppose.

 

Actually, I feel a ballpark/minimal number can be ventured.
Of course, NO ONE who is a Conspiracy Crackpot did as it ruins their whole kwazy existences.
But Someone who wasn't, ventured a number on page one: 2000.
Considering all the disciplines and spread out locales, I feel that's conservative.

So the Quandary remains. You just couldn't get "quite a few" to participate in murdering thousands (or tens of thousands) and stay silent before and after.
In fact, it's thrown a chill/slowed the whole 9/11 section as some kwazies actually realized the overall magnitude of their micro-insinuations for the First time!
+

 

Just for building 7, you are talking about the maintenance department, security, front desk, receiving department, building management and whoever was roaming around the building cutting open walls, running wire, planting explosives ...

not a peep ...