How Obama set a trap for the right.

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    omg hes a jew? well why didnt you say so sooner!??!
     
  2. CoolWalker

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    Obama is a lying clown. His supporters are eating cotton candy waiting for the Circus to begin. Let them laugh while we prepare for the final battle.
     
  3. toddwv

    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which do you think is more expensive for the insurance companies:

    1) Covering the costs of birth control.
    2) Paying for an unexpected pregnancy including post and prenatal care for the mother and child.

    I know which one I would pick even without gathering information.
     
  4. toddwv

    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When someone is deliberately attempting to sound ignorant, they should avoid sounding stupid as well. That's a pro-tip and I won't even charge you for it.
     
  5. toddwv

    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "The" Congressional Research Service report? Sorry, but the CRS puts out numerous reports at the behest of Congress members. These reports aren't indexed or provided for public disclosure.

    I did find a CRS report that directly counters your unsubstantiated post:

    Care to provide where you got your information as a rebuttal?
     
  6. Consmike

    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    Todd,
    Please explain to us why this is a health issue? Because in order or it to be a health issue, one must than believe that a pregnancy is a disease.
     
  7. toddwv

    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We don't.

    The point is that it is a major health issue for most women and these women shouldn't have to pay out of pocket for it when they are covered by health insurance just because a group of people believe that they should have control over the bodies of women.

    If the Catholic church required women to wear hijabs, would you be so quick to support them? It's the same principle.
     
  8. paco

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    Awwwwww! The little part-time **** has daddy issues? Poor, poor, meshugganah. :no:

    He only makes fun of the left every now and then to win over a few righties in his audience. It makes him look *gasp* "fair and balanced". :omg:
     
  9. toddwv

    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you don't have the capacity to understand why this is a health issue, then why should I have to explain it to you? This is something that you should have learned in biology a LONG time ago. Were you home-schooled by any chance?
     
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    Why is at a disaster?
     
  11. Consmike

    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    What major health issue?

    If a woman doesn't want to get pregnant or contract an STD and can't afford condoms or BC, than don't have sex. Its pretty simple.
     
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    You don't understand.

    If a pregnancy is a health issue, and the reason for it being a health issue is because a fetus in the womb is unwanted, then we must conclude that you believe, that the unborn is a disease.

    Now if a woman needs BC to treat some sort of menstrual illness that is a different issue.
     
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    Simple to simple minds perhaps. Unfortunately to the rest of us, it's not that simple.
     
  14. Consmike

    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    Really? why?

    oh, thats right, because you believe that if people can't afford them on their own, providers should bare the burden of other's breeding habits. what a shock there.
     
  15. toddwv

    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now you're just making random idiotic statements.

    Unplanned pregnancy is a serious financial and health-based issue. The goal of using birth control is to mitigate the likelihood of an unplanned pregnancy.

    So stop making (*)(*)(*)(*) up and posting it.
     
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    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Taking birth control is a matter of personal responsibility. The goal of birth control is to not breed therefore the individuals on birth control are attempting to not require providers to "bare the burden of other's breeding habits." What a shock to find out that you seem to be missing some critical differentiating information. Perhaps you should find some other source of "news" from which to copy your opinion on the topic.
     
  17. The Mello Guy

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    did you write the Ron Paul newsletters?
     
  18. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    what do you think the purpose of insurance is?
     
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    Not what we call medical "insurance" these days.

    Does your auto insurance pay for the oil your car must have to operate properly? New belts? New tires? The gas it needs? Nope, if you get in a wreck then it comes into play.

    Does your homeowners insurance pay for your electricity? The lawn guy who cuts the grass. New paint. New carpet? Nope, if it burns down or a tree falls on it it pays.


    People think they have no responsibility to pay for ANY medical cost anymore that it should all be paid by someone else.

    What do YOU think is the purpose of insurance? (note: no hanging preposition)
     
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    Ok, let me try and explain it from a different "vector".

    Average cost of birth control pills for women not on health insurance: $20-50.00.

    Average cost of JUST THE DELIVERY by vaginal delivery:
    $6-12,000

    If something goes wrong the costs could easily skyrocket to MUCH MUCH higher than that.

    Then there is post-natal care for both the child and mother...

    So who pays for this when the woman has health-insurance? Do you think that the health insurer will just eat the extra $10k or will they pass this on in the form of higher premiums?

    Go ahead, let that percolate for a while. We'll wait for what is likely to be your typical vapid response.
     
  21. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    nah not all of it, just something thats a major cost saver for the insurance companys.

    for the same reason auto insurance companys like seat belt laws....
     
  22. paco

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    But under ObamaCare, we ALL pay. Whether we get hurt or sick, or not. In that way, it is a lot like auto insurance, but under that guise even people who don't drive or own a vehicle would have to pay auto insurance. And that's just dead wrong, folks. :no:
     
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    The purpose of food is to mitigate unplanned health issues, does medical insurance pay for food?
     
  24. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    paying what? for insurance? I already have some, and so do most people.
     
  25. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    of course, do you think you have to order pizza while youre in the hospital?

    plus there is www.foodinsurance.com
     

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