How Obama set a trap for the right.

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  1. Sly

    Sly New Member Past Donor

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    So you want more unwanted pregnancies, and more abortions? If anyone is playing politics, it's you guys.
     
  2. AnnaK

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    What EXACTLY is the Church being forced to do? I have no idea what you're talking about! I heard with my own ears Obama saying that the Church will NOT have to provide BC coverage for their employees - that the insurance companies are going to do it.

    This same policy has been in effect in 28 states for years. Have the Catholic Bishops gone berserk over that? Why not if they're being "forced" to do something against Church doctrine?
     
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    Obama's not going to win a 2nd term now that the Jews have announced their intention to have him murdered by Mossad.
     
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    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean that he is playing political chess alone? Or is he finally taking the challenge that the GOP has pushed on him since the day he became President?

    President Obama has done EVERYTHING to compromise and to be balanced in his policies. To the point that he has been seen by both the GOP and by some on the Left as being weak. . .

    Finally, over the last few months, he had understood and accepted that no matter how hard he tries to work WITH the GOP, all they want to do is play dirty political games.

    So. . .they asked for a game. . .they just were not expected President obama to play an INTELLIGENT game, instead of the silly games played by the GOP

    Good for Obama. . .and the poll number demonstrat.e that a majority of people are pleased with his new approach
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They can get a job elsewhere. They are not forced to work there. We should never have the federal government forcing businesses to provide insurance to their employees... it's called a "benefit".

    This is not "in private". This is 100% in public when the federal government forces contraceptive and abortion coverage. Pay for it yourselves people. It's not your employer's responsibility to offer sexual contraception and abortion services.
     
  6. Sly

    Sly New Member Past Donor

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    LOL.. it's about supporting the Presidents measure or opposing the measure. You don't but, the majority does.

    Say good-bye to any chance of the presidency in 2012. :winner:
     
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    Sly New Member Past Donor

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    Dude, get as bent out of shape as you want, you're on the wrong side of the numbers.
     
  8. AnnaK

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    I don't get it because it isn't true. The Church isn't going to be required to provide coverage for their employees - the insurance companies are going to do it. How do YOU not get it? Haven't the RW talking heads told you about Obama's speech the other day when he told the whole country this?

    There is NO Authoritative Federal Government dictating to the Church that it must go against its doctrine. How can the Bishops be that uninformed about what's going on? He made the announcement before the Bishops wrote their letter. Are they deliberately trying to misinform their parishioners? :confused:

    As far as I know, nobody else is being forced to include abortion in their insurance policies - why would they force just the Catholic Church to do that? Does this really make any logical sense to you at all?
     
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    Numbers? Are you that devoid of the very foundation of the United States.

    This has nothing to do with numbers and everything to do with an AUTHORITARIAN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT VASTLY OVERSTEPPING THEIR CONSTITUTIONALLY ALLOWED POWERS.

    We have the U.S. Federal Government FORCING churches to violate their beliefs.

    This includes: Catholics, Protestants, Baptists, Evangelicals, and LDS... I am sure I have missed a few dozen others.
     
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    You madam are the one mistaken. That is exactly what they are being forced to do. Do you not know this?
     
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    Your analysis of this topic is incorrect. I find it ironic that you object to any inclusion of a religious prayer on a school wall as an expression of religious belief - citing "separation of Church and State", but completely close your eyes to that same issue in this case.

    Liberals. Rudders like pinwheels.
     
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    So. Some on here are admitting the deviousness of this president. How is this good governance? Isn't he supposed to be the president of the whole nation? Dedicated to protecting the citizens freedom and the freedom of the country and and security? But instead he's a game player. It's all political as far as he's concerned.

    Well. I'm glad for your honesty in admitting it.

    It also tells me something about you too, initial poster. You delight in seeing this country fail. And as long as it hurts the right, you don't care if it means you suffer too. Let me tell you something. Your president cares no more for you than he does for any one who opposes his power.
     
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    Then give me a source for your claim - a credible source. I'm not aware that they're being forced to do anything against church doctrine - in particular to provide birth control and abortion in their insurance policies for their employees.




     
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    Can the Catholic church ensure that it is not being used out of wedlock or to cheat on spouses.

    I guess the Catholic church has no problem financially supporting infidelity.
     
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    it drives them crazy. notice how quickly F:omg:X changed the subject????
     
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    We do have a Constitution and the ruling power of a foreign country should not have any say in our legislation.

    It is an important health issue for MOST women.

    28 states already mandate BC in health care coverage.
     
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    How about you just shut it with your...."do you have any idea" nonsense. Are you actually trying to insinuate that I wouldn't know that pills are cheaper than pregnancy? Really? Stop being so rude.

    Are you kidding me?? What are you not understanding here? Why do you think it OK for OUR GOVERNEMENT TO TELL A PRIVATE BUSINESS WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO FOR FREE??! WHY? And if they do this where does it end?

    And, Anna.....how long has the pill been around? How long have there been insurance companies? NOW, WHY HAVEN'T THEY DONE IT THEMSELVES ALREADY?

    I'll tell you what I think, I think the insurance providers may feel the same about the pill as I do. It is a matter of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! It's not a right to have birth control pills, you want to have unprotected sex? Buy the pill yourself, or go to planned parenthood and get it for free (as long as they're still around) Maybe that's what this is....maybe Obama is throwing his pals at planned parenthood a bone, taking some pressure off of them? Who knows.

    But, when a president takes a podium and uses language like this...

    "They will do it for free" and he is talking about a private business....

    RUN!
     
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    Who the hell is talking about preaching abstinence. The fact of the matter is, Obama has violated the 1st amendment.
     
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    what a load of crap...

    it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out: Government forces insurance companies to give away free products then forces the Catholic church to use that company....therefore, the church is paying for the contraceptives.

    I know the Progressives believe in their cold black hearts that money grows on trees and the stuff in the stores appears there magically but those of us that live in the real world know that those pills have to be paid for, the manufacturer has to be paid, the lab techs have to be paid, the TRUCKERS that bring the pills from the manufacturer to the local drug store have to be paid, the pharmacy has to be paid...and they all will be paid by the people that are buying policies from the insurance companies.

    where in the Constitution does it say that the President can enslave an entire industry? Because that is what slavery is: Forcing someone to work for no compensation. Are the people that make birth control pills not supposed to be paid? What else will His Highness decide a private industry must give away for free? Gas? Bread? What industry are you in? Are you willing to work for free?
     
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    What a joke, now we can't have sex without the Almighty Kenyen Tryant and DC making it safe! How pathetic are some Americans today??? Sadly enough it seems to be somewhat common today, the only question is how common?
     
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    And ol' Gorilla Arms isn't even that smart to begin wit!

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    While everyone has to be paid something else has to happen to make all this paying to continue and that word is "Not a Good Word in the Liberal Dictionary" becuase they have to have a secret dictionary someplace the rest of the world is not allowed to look at! That one word is a "Profit" has to be made to bring in the "Investment Capital" to make it all possible to begin with.

    Yet most people today, diffently liberals have no idea what Insurance is much or less Health Insurance, its all the same yet.... You don't pay a Insurance or shouildn't pay a Health Insurance premium for Health Care yet I'm sure that will leave way too many scratching their head that a brain should be within but it really doesn't seem that way for too many. Yet any real Health Reform would be a large part of Education of the Public of basic money/services that once was common knowledge.
     
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    So much failure in your post that it's hard to find a place to start...

    Do you REALLY believe that the people making the birth control, the manufacturers, aren't going to be compensated? Really? Do you not have any idea how healthcare works?
     
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    What the (*)(*)(*)(*) is a Kenyen Tryant? If you're going to post stupidity at the level that your post reaches, at least try to spell it correctly.
     
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    There confusing Health Insurance and Health Care, then the problem is compounded with the idea or difference of a President and a God, it would seem since Obama has been President the liberal thinks that now God sits as the President.
     

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