How Planned Parenthood hooks kids on sex (WARNING: graphic material)

It is foolish to try to save government money by defunding family planning services. No matter how much you think people should be punished by being forced to bear children they cannot support, it simply costs government, therefore ALL of us, MORE MONEY to pay for unwanted children. It COSTS MORE to defund family planning. It's a simple concept.

No one enjoys being dependent upon the welfare system, even those who just accept it as a way of life. Few to none of those so dependent are dependent because of a lack of self control. Most of those on welfare are there because of circumstances beyond their control. If you are part of the 1% whose financial state is such that you would never be living on the edge of poverty no matter what happens, I congratulate you, but the other 99% are living on the edge and a slight change in government policy could put any of us in a precarious financial condition.

Why do I get the impression that you would enjoy seeing people begging for food, a la Scrooge? Would it give you a feeling of superiority?

 

You are comparing early America, and brand new country at the time, to a well established Victorian era European setting? That is complete hogwash. I do understand that poverty was seen as a morale failing at the time, but that is not the case now. They had titles of nobility along with a myriad of other societal differences.

Compare apples to apples.

Perfect example, a good friend of mine was married 3 times, and divorced three times, within a 3 year span of time. I opted to learn from his mistakes. Been married 4 years now, and I haven't made the mistakes he has. Then again, I am also in college because I saw a man panhandling on the streets begging for food/money. I also don't eat yellow snow from from sheer common sense.

I think your question is a little silly.

Indeed, learning never stops. I suggest you continue as well.

 

You need to learn a little history. No matter where in the western world, poverty was considered a moral fault in Victorian times.

That's learning from the present, although how is you can afford college?

Maybe you won't be married in ten years time. Who knows?

That's because you didn't understand it.

You should make a start, yourself.

 

Clearly you either misunderstood or didn't read what I wrote. I suggest you read it again and get back to me. Another note, nobody is forcing anybody to bear children. They make that decision(barring rape/molestation) all on their own, when somebody has sex frequently, children follow. It isn't a mystery. I am not trying to "punish" anybody, I simply do not want to be forced to pay for their abortions and birth control. If people don't want children or the risk of children, I would suggest they stop playing recklessly with their biochemistry sets. Key word is reckless.

Defunding the atrocious safety net will more than save us money. It will improve overall quality of life given time. You are right, it is a simple concept. Yet few grasp it.

No body enjoys welfare? Absolute statements inevitably have holes in them, you may want to revise that outlook. One thing I do know is that people often become complacent. Many get on welfare with the intent of getting off, until they get comfortable and complacent, then they remain until pressure is applied to spur them into action. And most people are suffering because of a lack of common sense. I've been laid off before. Didn't bother me. Why? I can assure you it is not because I am loaded with cash. But because I save money for just such an occasion, food storage as well. I make it a point to be prepared for catastrophe whether economic or physical. When my preparations have run out, then I ask for help. And only then. Family first, friends, then the government, and only after I have trimmed myself down to where I cannot give anything else. That is the order in which I ask for help.

The problem is that the safety net of welfare is so expansive that there is no fear of falling, because people know they can get help from the state. If such a net were to go away, people would evaluate their decisions more thoroughly. Sure some people will always cast themselves aside, they are often those who were derelicts of society anyways. Others will learn and avoid pit falls. Perfect analogy of this is walking through a minefield. It only takes one guy getting blown to pieces for the rest of the platoon to wake up and watch their step. The same rules apply to economics, and abortions.

It is a situation that will get worse before it gets better. But it will get better.

You are mistaken, you make assumptions about that which you are ill informed to comment on. My persona and the dynamics thereof aren't the debate here.

Tough love is still love. Sometimes the best, and most effective thing you can do for someone is a great deal of nothing. It isn't out of sadistic glee which you imply, but out of patience. I enjoy helping people, however there is zero point in trying to help someone who refuses to help themselves first. The best helping hand is at the end of your own arm.

 

Clarification: I was referring to how people now see poverty in the modern age, not to how the Victorian era did. Yes it is well documented how the Victorian era felt and dealt with those in poverty, it is a fairly dark part of history in my opinion.

College? Not really the point but I'll entertain it. Post 9/11 GI Bill. Something I earned. It is an entitlement program. If it is available, I will take advantage of it. The nice thing about the GI Bill is that it is difficult to abuse. The payment is delayed, and they don't pay out unless you are attending a school. If you don't get good grades you have to pay them back. Fairly good method of correction if you ask me. And Pell grants, because like a said, if it is available I'll take advantage of it. And if I don't do well, I have to pay that back as well. Not really a free ride. I also have used personal savings. If neither program existed it would simply be a pay as you go method.

Marriage? Point taken, I can't see the future, anything is possible. I can only point out a comparison from the past that I saw take place, and what I have done. I'll leave future speculation to psychic hotlines and economists.

Implied insults? Disappointing.

 

It's important to know how we got to where we are, so we can avoid making the same mistakes.

Yes, it is a free ride for you, but that is a good thing.

I have no objections to it at all. I approve of education and believe everyone should have equal access to it.

The thing is, you don't know the whys and wherefores of their situation.
There but for the grace of god go you or I, or anyone else.

No, not at all.

 

Diamond Lil,



I don't know how to get through to you. Perhaps it isn't possible, or perhaps not for me anyways.

 

I thought my posts were plain and easy to understand.

 

Its nothing more than a propaganda video by the American Life League, which is full of lies and half truths.

If America's conservatives had their way, they'd dictate to you when and where you could have sex and of course only for procreation purposes.

 

Granted the video is not exactly put together in the most forthcoming and honest manner...and is clearly designed to slant the perception of the viewer. But that is the nature of bad journalism, and there is plenty of that tripe out there.

But dictating when and where people can have sex seems a bit on the ridiculous side of things. And for only for procreational purposes? Thankfully lunatics like these are fringe element and deemed as fools by the general population.

Sure I have an LDS moral code, but if some fool tried to pass that kind of legislation I'd be in your camp shouting it down. The rank and file conservatives are fairly slow witted and do not think of the consequences of their actions.

 

Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion mill in the United States. They bank and count on women who kill their babies. They are being prosecuted as we speak for unlawful activities….hiding underaged rapes…sex trafficking. etc.

They are an evil organization that preys on women.

 

So what did this guy in the video say that was a lie. Could you please identify the untruths. LDS..moral code?

 

diamond lil said,

And PP counts on people making mistakes. If they didn't they couldn't open their doors?

 

And the evil hospitals let people die when there's nothing they can do.

Aborations are legal in the US. I don't care if you think they're evil for what they do. Just accept it.

 

There is a sham investigation, not prosecution. Pro-lifers will say ANYTHING to destroy PP.

 

It was the way in which the evidence was assembled. Looking around the guy's site and all the information, one can figure out that although it is factual, it is assembled in a way to make you believe something else entirely. I was caught off guard in the beginning as well, not to worry, you're only human.

Still, planned parenthood can go to the grave for all I care.

 

Two different things…..hospital try to save lives…PP tries and get paid to take them. People in the hospital are alive to consent…..the unborn can't.

ABortion is premeditated…..taking of someones life.

 

I asked you specifically what was a lie….not how the report seemed to be or was put together. You said it was filled with lies….

Give me a list to address.

 

They are an evil organization one that poses for something it is not. They target blacks….because their founder Margaret Sanger…said blacks were "weeds"….that the breed would die off. More black babies die from abortion than any other today. They are being investigated for illegal activities…

Is all this a figment of ones imagination…..NO.

And recently their president lied by saying they do breast cancer screenings…by mammograms. THEY DONT DO MAMMOGRAMS….so where did a lll the Komen funds go to? Not one PP clinic in the country owns a mammogram machine that I have ever heard of. They ship the women out…and they don't give them money to pay for it when they leave.

 

That is a vicious lie, Margaret Sanger DID NOT say blacks were "weeds." You are distorting her words out of context. There is a higher percentage of blacks aborted, because black women have more unwanted pregnancies. They go to Planned Parenthood voluntarily, they are not kidnapped and dragged there.

No, it is a calculated campaign by dishonest pro-lifers. Shame on pro-lifers for stepping on the backs of black women to advance their agenda.

More lies. Planned Parenthood provides mammograms by paying for them.

 

Sorry but can we get some factual content into posts here?

 

Abortion is premeditated…..taking of somethings life.

Fixed that for you.

 

Abortion is a tiny part of what PP do and mammograms are part of that. You heard wrong again.

 

That is just down right dumb. No adult human being who has any sense is gonna read this and think it was intelligent.

 

Embryo is not a person, it is a thing. Object, not subject. Something, not someone. In order to be someone, you have to have a mind.