How pure are the Jews? Does 65% 'Judean' sound about right?

Before WW2, anti-Semites were addicted to the idea that the Jews were a special and inferior race.

now, anti-Semites are addicted to the idea that the Jews are not a nation, an ethnicity, or even a people. They are just a religion.

 

IMO "Jews " like anyone else , can believe themselves to be whatever they so choose to, however they really shouldn't expect everyone to believe as they do , when they are attempting to use it to justify/excuse their crimes.

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So what should the Zionist Jews do when presented with lies, distortions and in the is case sloppy academics?

I find it hilarious that all of your anti-zionist, jew hating "scholars" tell the truth and all others who do not support your own biases lie.

Any source that displays derogatory criticism of jews/zionists is viewed as gospel by you and yours, regardless of accuracy, scholarship, or evidence.

 

The only denialist experts who I'm reminded by, are those who deny Zionists crimes and the Palestinian people's legitimate rights,

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Its been my experience that it isn't so much the jews attempting to justify/excuse their "crimes" as much as it is jew haters and rabid anti-zionists attempting to disparage, discredit and generally accuse jews of all kinds of "criminal acts".

You and your pals seem to produce volumes of whinging about Israel and jews, while employing hypocritical double political and behavioural standards.

You wouldn't be exposed to the lion's share of jewish/zionist "justifications" if the constant stream of disparagement and over the top criticism against jews/Israel was toned down, more accurate and somewhat balanced.

Ol' Isaac sure knew what he was talking about with all that action reaction stuff.

 

Now we know that just isn't true. Many of your posts feature denialist c&p, while many of your anti-jewish c&p's originate at jew-hating sites.

 

he stated that the wrong 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust, and that the Jews of Israel should have replaced them.

 

Is that your experience ? really ? Sounds like your "experience " is truly blinkered .

[QUOTE]You and your pals seem to produce volumes of whinging about Israel and jews, while employing hypocritical double political and behavioural standards. [/QUOTE]

There you go once again - ignoring / forgetting what the topic under discussion is .


GERTCHA .

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Excuse me - Why not repeat my precise/exact words instead of dishonestly distorting what I did say

I dare you .

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happy to:

 

That' was my exact words and I stand by every word : I also on another thread said in reply to :

I said :

http://www.politicalforum.com/histo...ory-zionists-had-suppress.html#post1062303657

---- I stand by that as well,

 

If that's you understanding then so be it , however It looks like you've failed to notice a large number of my C + P 's is from Jewish sources i.e. Shlomo Sand, Ilan Pappe, various Haaretz journalist /correspondents , Gideon Levy etc., , JewNotZionists/NetureiKarta, Uri Avnery , and many other Anti-Zionist JEWS.
Believe it or not but I've learnt more from JEWS like Miko Peled, Gilad Atmon., Uri Avnery, Chomsky etc.etc. - than any of what you'd call anti-Jewish sites.

Like my parents generation I was also up until a few years ago sympathetic towards Zionists , Jews + Israel . I swallowed all their lies.

It was only after my second visit (Holy Land tour ) and information from Anti-Zionists Jews which caused me to re-examine my understanding of Zionism + Israel's policies .

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Here's another I forgot to mention :

http://www.ijsn.net/home/

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simply scan the thread titles going back as far as you want. You'll find that there is a preponderance of jew /zionist bashing threads versus those extolling the virtues of either jews or Israel. Or is this yet another thing you have failed to notice?

No actually I am not ignoring the topic, I am merely responding to your posts and reminding you of your own posting activity, which for some amazingly odd reason, you appear to be oblivious to.

 

I am well aware that you also use "jewish" sources. Of course most of them are either fringe or miniscule minority opinions, yet it does indicate that jews are like every other people with differing opinions and beliefs. I am delighted that you have learned something from jews.

Only fools believe that they are above criticism and as you point out, merely reading Israeli newspapers and various Israeli/jewish academics, demonstrate that criticism of Israeli actions etc. are numerous, varied and broadbased.

However, I stand by my original assertion that you regularly c&p content from denialist and jewhating sites.

 

There's nothing I can do about it, , have a word with the forum's admin.

Oh Yes you have ignored it , and still do, by focusing on me , instead of this thread's TOPIC . Pity you can's see your own failings.

tata.....

 

Assert as much as wish -




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tata ...

 

The low degree of religious practice by Jews in general severely dilutes the credibility of their claim that "God gave it to us".

I did not know that there was a statute of limitations of the theft of territory. Can you show us proof of that .... credible proof, I mean?
The IRA did not believe that there was. Nor did the Mau Mau. Nor the ANC. Nor ZAPLA. And they were all proved correct.

I sense that FACTS do bother you, Jonsa. I thought you were better than that. Sad.

Well, Jonsa, it got me thinking as to what it was that had an even greater, deeper and more lasting pull for those 50% of the Jews who preferred to live in the diaspora. Was it their monthly pay check? Better access to quality golf courses? Bacon?

Jonsa, are you aware of the thousands of Zionist web sites that claim the right to land theft in the southern Levant because modern Jews come from there .... and not from Europe?

 

Whomever possesses the power to articulates the relation of a Jew to his creator is a personal thing... to add also your personal comments because of an assumption from your part is degrading the people you describe.

The Jewish people returned home to rebuild their old patrimony and you call that theft... Well in this case since according to you there is no statute of limitation on theft of territory, how about the ARABS surrendering all their conquests of the seventh Century to their rightful owners... hmmm They did that in Andalous = Spain after 800 years of subjugation. (They were kicked out in factual terms.)

If what you describe are facts (especially about Israel) then, I am a yellow submarine.

Thanks for the subtle insult... We Jews do not poke our individual noses in some other people's affairs and FYI Jews are not allowed to proselytize... any individual who wants to be a Jew has to ask for it.

I am not aware of this... but your question is <convoluted>... Thousands of Zionist web sites???????
<Right to Land Theft??????> What is that?

After all it seems that 'your assumptions' show no limits in this delivery, and the arrogance of this delivery is beyond the limit of a civil debate.

 

It does not dilute the credibility of the claim at all. Religious claims only are relevant to religious people. this particular claim might have been important 70+ years ago, but at this stage its completely moot when considering Israel's existence.

We are discussing the existence of Israel. It exists period.

Interesting that there are those that are more consumed by the fact Israel actually exists and is thriving (relatively) than they are with promoting the notion of Palestinian nationalism.

Cheer up. Examine what I said. Who are the most vocal sources of whinging (either side)? Its the neo-zionists, not the secular jews of Israel on one side. And on the other its the anti-zionists, anti semites and beyond.

Its a fact that the predominant arguments are anti-zionist arguments, not pro-palestinian arguments. Its more important to whinge about Israel and its evils, than to examine and focus on the clustermuck that is palestinian nationalism.

Its seems its pretty damn hard to be positive about palestinian nationalism but really easy to be negative about Israel, jews and occupation.

Well, it doesn't seem you have given it much thought.

Jews live in other countries for a variety of reasons. Only bigots consider the Jewish people all believe in the same things and desire the same things for themselves and their families.

Given that there are all kinds of ethnicities that choose to live in other societies why do you feel it necessary to single out jews for special "thought"?

Your flippant suggestions of reasons speaks volumes wrt your attitude towards jews. Now that is truly sad.

Again you attempt to apply a characteristic of one group of jews to all jews.

As to the thousands of zionist web sites It appears you know much more about this subject than I.
But again, your argument is as irrelevant as "the thousand zionist web sites".

According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, as of February 2013, of Israel's 8 million people, 75.4% were Jews of any background.[24] Among them, 68% were Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second- or third-generation Israelis, and the rest are olim (Jewish immigrants to Israel)&#8212;22% from Europe and the Americas, and 10% from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries.[25] Nearly half of all Israeli Jews are descended from Jews who made aliyah from Europe, while around the same number are descended from Jews who made aliyah from Arab countries, Iran, Turkey and Central Asia. Over two hundred thousand are, or are descended from, Ethiopian and Indian Jews.[26]

 

yes, as one cannot "return" to a land that their ancestors have not lived in for 2,000 years.

 

I am confused, Jonsa. 70 years ago is sufficiently long to smooth over the act of territory theft. But 2000 years ago is short enough to maintain a claim to ancestral territory? Why do I feel a headache coming on?

Not in this instance are we discussing that"" You used to be a much better debater when you didn't have to stoop to such blatant deflections. It was you who offered "It was done long before either of us was born" and I refuted the value of such a claim. It had zero to do with whether Israel had, say, been acknowledged as a State and allowed into the UN under certain conditions, and, once allowed entry, completely reneged on its responsibilities.

Why not allow both to happen? Why are only the Jews allowed their piece of the "Holy Land" while the Jews who converted to Christianity and then to Islam are denied their right? I am on record numerous times that we cannot turn the clock back to 1947.

Nope.

# It is those who excuse all Israeli aggression by repeating the provenly false mantra "because the rockets were raining down on Israel". THAT is the biggest whinge of all
# Stop assassinating Hams leaders.
# Stop preventing democratic elections from taking their intended course.
# Stop airstrikes on Lebanon and then claiming "rockets were raining down on Israel" when everyone who can read official eye-witness reports knows that they weren't.
# Stop claiming that Hezbollah is evil when it was Israel's 20 000+ truly evil killings that gave rise to the creation of that group.
# Stop claiming that Palestinians are immigrants when the facts show that in the late 19th C there were 500 000 Palestinians in the southern Levant versus less than 25 000 Jews.

See above

See above

For the reason .... see above

Can you give a better reason. If so, why haven't you answered the question? The rest of your post just keeps on avoiding.just keeps on avoiding the questions.

 

Then why have you failed so spectacularly to refute any of them?

 

# Try telling that to a Palestinian family who had a home in Majdal (now called Ashkelon9. Their descendants live in a slum in Gaza.

# Try telling that to a Palestinian family who had a home in al-Ramla (now called Ramla). Their descendants also live in slums in Gaza

# Try telling that to the Arabs in Fassuta who ask why their cousins live in slums in Lebanon.

Need I go on, because I have 388 other examples of ethnically cleansed Arab settlements?

 

My friend they should not have been there in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They lived there because they were offered jobs, when the Job is terminated they had to leave PERIOD... The South American illegals are in the same predicaments, they know their limits though.

I dare you to post the 388 cases here for all to see... I will have an answer for all of them... provided they can show land ownership of their parcel registered with a legal KHUSHAN (Land ownership certificate)...