How Trump failed the biggest test of his life

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  1. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Guardian... George Soros' media.... really.... can you get any more bias than that... the pinnacle
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    It means that Republicans think that denial and deceit can alter reality, a belief that is about to kill us all if we let it.
     
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    Republicans spend all their time telling us how having government in our lives makes us die a slow agonizing death. Then, when they’re in office, they do everything they can to speed up the process.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    The States call upon the Feds when a disaster overwhelms them, as is happening here. The problem is the Fed has no help to give. Trump's tax cuts have hollowed out our government's readiness for anything and all the Republicans can do is say "it's a State problem" when they are talking about a worldwide pandemic.
     
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    All healthcare systems that get federal funds, and most do, are regulated for preparedness. Stock piling medical supplies is part of it. They have stock piled as required . They assume that things like very expensive ventilators can be in the system with an organized pandemic response team, one that Trump dismantled. If hospitals had to prepare for pandemics on their own, no one could afford healthcare. Get real. These supplies are transported and distributed across state lines, that’s federally regulated, they’ve done a poor job under Trump.
     
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    Say Hillary were elected. What would be different now? It is all fine and dandy to say Trump failed. What would success look like?

    What are the criteria for a passing grade?
     
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    Theatthat does not make them government agencies and they are part of the STATE and LOCAL emergency preparedness. Yes hospitals maintain their own inventories as does state and local emergency management they don't just sit here and then wait and call the Feds when they need something. Yes they have to prepared for a huge influx of their populations, patients infected in a pandemic be in a local outbreak, a regional outbreak or a global one.

    I don't know where you guys get the idea that the Federal Government is in charge of the state and local EMA and frontline response. They DON'T take over the state or the hospitals that is run by local EMA and government officials who train and prepare for these events.
     
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    They work together in all emergencies and not just when a state is "ovewhelmed" but the state and local officals run the show in their localities NOT the federal government. THEY have to insure they are prepared, they are the frontline the feds don't take over responsibility. It's all our problem it is who is responsible for execution of the emergency services and needs on the frontline, who plans for that, who trains for that.............the state and local officials.
     
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    It means what I said.
     
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    Trump administration is sending government medical supplies to private distributors to sell to the highest bidder. These are supplies desperately needed by hospitals. People like Jared Kushner needs his cut. People are dying and non profit hospitals are broke trying to bid for supplies.

    https://www.milforddailynews.com/ne...medical-equipment-that-goes-to-highest-bidder
     
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    We’d be three months ahead of the curve. She believes in science.
    Trump gets a passing grade when he doesn’t lie. It’s never happened yet since he’s been in office.
     
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    What does three months ahead of the curve mean? Fewer deaths? How many fewer?

    How would Ms. Clinton have accomplished this.
     
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    Get a life.
     
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  15. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Not three months, three years

    (Please don't tell me you honestly believe the first time anybody had ever heard of this was in December of 2019. You all are very quick to admit that the Chinese lied about every other aspect of this disease's etiology but then act as if in its overall history they are being completely honest. Get real. Diseases don't just suddenly pop up out of nowhere)

    How many fewer deaths? How about none at all, or maybe 5 or 10 from China

    She would have accomplished it by keeping in place and maybe even expanding the Office of Pandemic Awareness. Instead of unending hostility to the Chinese, she would have had our CDC working hand in glove with them to develop treatments and a vaccine for this disease before it killed anybody. Corvid 19 would be an interesting laboratory curiosity by this time.
     
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    State and local officials simply CANNOT deal with a GLOBAL PANDEMIC and I don't see how anybody with even rudimentary common sense would think they could.

    As an example, right now the individual states are all bidding against each other for hospital supplies which Trump has been refusing to give them until just days ago. As a result of this many of the doctors and nurses we need to help us are going to get sick themselves.
     
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    There would be a start on a National Healthcare Plan and our kids would be going to a state-university that DOES NOT COST $14K a year (which is the national average in the US).

    As regards the latter, more of our children would have a chance of succeeding in a world that is changing rapidly - the Industrial Age is going and the Information Age is already here. For the Information Age, you need some smarts - not just a mediocre High-School degree. Secondary-schooling in the US also needs to be reworked to bring up its mediocre performance at the local schools.

    She would also likely have found the money for the objective cited above by reducing the waste of money in the DoD. That gouges 55% of the total Federal Discretionary Budget - see here .

    For starters, that's all good-stuff ... !
     
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  18. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    CENTRAL GOVERNANCE

    The basis of all human impulses is ... uh, oneself. Some people make a fixation of it. Others a political-party that promotes this quirk of human-nature.

    Why this "quirk"? Because since time immemorial humans banded together (into tribes, if you like) for two reasons:
    *Self-protection (from other "human tribes" (or even "other animals") competing for the same food-supply.
    *Reproduction of the species and the division of work (male/female) that initiated "tribes". (The tribes of common-language evolved into countries.)

    The Replicants are demonstrating one political notion that goes back a long time in Human Evolution, which (summing up) goes like, this: "Life is all about me, me, me and mine, mine, mine".

    Such a selfish political notion was questioned/attacked by a higher notion: That life is about sharing whilst ensuring that all are treated fairly. (But not all necessarily treated equally, as communism professed.) Meaning that an economy was treated as a lawful agreement amongst its constituents and thus required "fair and honest treatment" for all.

    The basis of which should be a Democratic* Central Governance that pursued this rule at all times.

    Q. E. D. ...

    *Meaning, a republic based upon the principles of a democracy and a set of democratic laws that rule the nation.
     
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    Tell us, the body bags keep piling up while govenemnt medical equipment instead of going to hospitals, goes out onto to the open market where masks sell for $6 each instead of .50 ccents like they used to. Meanwhile, Jared Kushner the new Czar of medical gear distribution and genuine “nincompoop” pretends again he’s a genius in screwing things up. People are dying Trump. But his crime family comes first.
     
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  20. LafayetteBis

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    THE LAST KILLER EPIDEMIC

    Well, yes, a plague of this proportion has not been around (Europe) since a while. In 1918 one of the most unrelenting pandemics occurred. The Spanish flu had infected about half a billion people and killeD millionS.

    Read more about that here: Spanish Flu - excerpt:
    I doubt seriously we'll get to that 100M victims level this time around ...
     
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    It's not the plague itself, but the lack of reactivity around that, and the failure to handle the crisis around that.

    Only in adversity we learn the true value of many things, including the one of our governments and societies.

    It could get more as many countries doesn't have the infrastructure to deal with that virus in an efficient way, not every countries has ventilator. But even, societies back in that time were more resilient as companies were less huge, even the agriculture was less dependant fo international imports such fertilizer.

    The more sophisticated something become, the more it become fragile also.
     
  22. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    What conservatives want is a world where they form a college-educated nobility and the rest of us are HS educated peasants. That's why they're so against Universal College and Universal Health Care. The high cost of college will ensure that the peasantry doesn't get educated above their station and the high cost of medical care will serve to bankrupt any of the lower orders who makes too much money anyway.

    After all, they need cannon fodder for the endless wars which are really just the way they run their worldwide Empire.
     
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    What’s next ? Benghazi ?
     
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    It’s a natural instinct for some to talk........
     
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    'Think". The word is "think". It's a natural instinct to "think".

    Try it, you might like it ... !
     

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