Human Rights Activist Esra Al-Ghamgam Executed By Saudi Arabia

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Although there have been frequent arrests, she is the first woman to actually be executed in Saudi Arabia. It was done on Sunday on the prosecutors order, and with a sword in the same fashion as ISIS and Al Queda as the security forces stood by.

    Her crime? That's she's a female Shia rights activist and was involved in peaceful demonstrations in Qatif. So while the world is lauding Saudi Arabia for giving it's women the right to drive, they are executing Shia women for wanting equal rights for Shias.

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    Saudi sources as well as human rights sources of various stripes have confirmed the reporting that the Saudi human rights activist, Esra al-Ghamgam, was executed on the KSA’s prosecutor’s orders on Sunday.

    As Saudi women are given the freedom to drive and play an active role in society, Shia women are not only arrested for seeking freedom of religion but now punished with unheard of sentences for women in this Kingdom.”

    A video, which FRN is in possession of, but out of respect to the deceased, will not share, shows an executioner placing her in prone position on the ground before decapitating her with a sword, as security forces stood by.

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/08/rest-in-power-esra-al-ghamgam-brutally-executed-by-saudi-arabia/
     
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    Cave men wearing dresses do that sort of thing. Women did finally get the right to drive, but only after cars that drive themselves came along.
     
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    Its nice to see Saudi Arabia giving women equal rights.

    They also are allowing them to drive, the nation is moving forward.

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    They are also the first nation to give a robot full citizenship.
     
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    Saudi Arabia is probably no better than Iran, when it comes to level of religious craziness and human rights in their society.
    The only difference is that they are an important ally of the U.S. in the Middle Eastern region.

    In some ways Iran might even be a bit better.
    If it wasn't for the moderating influence U.S. political pressure puts on the Saudis, they'd really go off the deep end.
     
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    These are not men. They're disgusting pieces of flesh and bone assembled with all the hatreds false beliefs can inspire. .
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually there is no comparison between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Iran is a lot freer, except in our propaganda outlets. If the media could get away with it, they would say ISIS and Al Nusra are Iranians. They have come pretty close to it though, when a judge decided to sue Iran for 911, even though they were Saudis.
     
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    When you watch Aladdin you will see that all the evil guys come from Iran.

    Disney doesn't lie.
     
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    Fake news.

    I don't know if Israa al-Ghamgam was sentenced to death or not, but filming of public executions is strictly forbidden in the Saudi Kingdom. The video mentioned in the article is in fact an unlawful filming of a beheading that took place in 2015. The woman, Laila bint Abdul Muttalib Basim, was convicted of murdering her husband's daughter and was publicly executed in Mecca. So much for the mind poisoning "first woman executed in Saudi Arabia" propaganda to make us believe the situation of human rights in Saudi Arabia is getting worse. No, Saudi Arabia has never has been a shining beacon of human rights, but the situation is really getting better, not worse, fake news notwithstanding.

    Keeping in mind that the people who condemn the US for its alliance with Saudi Arabia are the same people who cheer for Assad and the theocratic dictatorship of Iran, we can safely assume that concern for human rights is not what's really motivating them.

    The purpose of such "news" is, of course, first and foremost, influencing public opinion against the US as friend and ally of such ugly regime, or at least against the long standing alliance between Saudi Arabia and the US. Weakening the US position in the ME would lead to greater influence of Russia in the region.

    Sources:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ortedly-arrested-in-saudi-arabia-9988062.html
    https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/21/middleeast/saudi-beheading-video/index.html
     
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    Now that's what I call 'progress'!
     
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    Curious that FRN would make this mistake in the same article.

    Yesterday’s execution stands as a stark reminder that ‘reform’ and ‘liberalization’ have been the KSA’s standard marketing towards western media audiences since the 1950’s. In reality, little progress has happened, and the gulf monarchy continues to justify itself upon their fact of existence. They were placed in power by the British Empire after the Ottoman Empire was routed from the Arabian Peninsula.
     
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    Have you been to Iran and Saudi Arabia, jeannette?
     
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    How can you say the video mentioned was that of a beheading that took place in 2015 when you haven't seen it? Anyone can take a video with their phone. Besides I never found the site to lie, and they're not idiots, so until I do I will take their word that the video does exist.

    How can you say the situation in Saudi Arabia is getting better because of a public relations stunt like women driving, when the Yemenis are being killed non stop?

    The minorities in Syria went to the areas under Assad's army for protection, while Saudi Arabia supported the terrorists who were killing them. There is a Greek saying: "Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you what you are." Well, let's just say our friends do not reflect well on us.

    Anyway democracy means people's choice, and the people of Syria chose Assad by a large margin. As for Iran, I don't know much about it, but Pat Buchanan who I have the greatest respect for said that there are only 2 democracies in the Middle East; Syria and Iran.


    Russia's influence has to do with its policies, while the US, Britain and France's lack of influence has to do with their policies. What those policies are can best be expressed in the following quotes by the Russian Senator Valentina Matviyenko from her recent interview with International Affairs magazine:


    I would like to note one more tendency that is not always noticed or duly assessed by others. I mean the obvious failure of the so called liberal project of the world order."

    “Liberalism in the form that it achieved in the United States, a considerable part of the European Union, and some other Western nations, not only lacks attractiveness for a considerable part of humanity, it frightens and repulses the people,”

    "Modern liberalism has lost many of the principles it was originally based on – including humanism, freedom of speech, and tolerance. These principles have been replaced with the suppression of traditional values, replacing truthful information with ‘fake news’, and increasing intolerance to differing opinions, especially in politics."
     
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    No I haven't, but I'm sure those countries are a lot more peaceful, and much nicer places to raise children in than the US - or at least considering the way it has become now. I'm not condemning their traditional values, since I don't believe that nations should be imposing their own on others, and I do recall when I was young and going to the Greek islands how my relative had to wear a burka after her husband died.

    But there is such a thing as 'humanity', and in that I do condemn Saudi Arabia. It's one thing when people act inhumane as individuals, but another thing when it's a government. In that I condemn my own government as well.
     
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    The only Greek Island I have been to is Rhodes.. We took several vacations there over the years. Lovely place.
     
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    Anyone else noticed Margot is going out of her way to try to deflect from the subject of the thread?
     
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    Syria has NEVER been a democracy. Buchanan must be nuts.
     
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    No, the women driving is a gimmick. They arrested women activists who worked for this.......
     
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    The conditions required to be a candidate in a presidential election are the following according to the Syrian constitution:

    1. A candidate must have the support of at least 35 or more members of the parliament
    2. A candidate must be at least 40 years old
    3. A candidate must be Syrian by birth, of parents who are Syrians by birth
    4. A candidate must enjoy civil and political rights and not convicted of a dishonorable felony, even if he was reinstated
    5. A candidate must not be married to a non-Syrian spouse
    6. A candidate must have lived in Syria for 10 years before the election
    (Number 4 is the trick.. Everyone who runs against Assad has some felony blackmark against him.. Look at the first multiparty election.. Assad is president for life.)
     
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    I haven't noticed this little gem. Seems their knowledge of the past is at least as flawed as their grasp of the present.
     
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    As I mentioned, filming public executions is illegal in Saudi Arabia. Anyone trying to take a video with their phone risk being arrested.

    An unsourced invisible video is not proof of anything. The only video available on the internet is of the beheading in 2015. There's also the little fact that even far left media - usually pro-Assad and pro-Iran, quick to demonize the US and its allies - is not touching this subject, which means there's nothing at all they can grasp at to make a point.

    From IBI Times:
    https://www.ibtimes.com/first-woman...e-supporting-anti-government-protests-2710119

    Inserting false or unproven premises in questions and statements as if they're gospel material is annoying, but I'm not falling for it. You'll have to prove that allowing women to drive is a public relations stunt. I don't believe so, because I've been monitoring the agonizingly slow changes in attitudes toward women in Saudi Arabia for a long time. Allowing women to drive is not as sudden a change as it may seem to someone unaware of other small changes along the way.

    Minorities who stick with Assad do this because they fear sectarian strife and vengeful acts of violence, not because they love and cherish Assad. I said before that none of the actors involved in the Syrian civil war is completely innocent, but Assad's hands are dripping with the blood of his people, the people he was supposed to protect as their leader. He should've have stepped down when his people asked him to, but Syria was never a democracy and that's why people's choices were always irrelevant to the Syrian leadership.

    I couldn't care less about Pat Buchanan's opinion.

    I'd ask the Senator what's her take on the decriminalization of domestic violence by the Russian government. Human rights and tolerance begin at home.
     
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    Yeah.. Looks like FRN is a sloppy propaganda outfit.
     
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    Why are you continuing to try to deflect from the thread topic, Margot?
     
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    Jeannette claimed Pat Buchanan said Syria was a democracy.. It isn't. Bathism is pan Arab socialism and Assad is president for life.

    Didn't you read the thread?
     
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    Did the read the topic? You’ve been doing everything you can to try to distract people from the crime the Saudis are trying to commit against a human rights activist.

    Are you not able to preform your usual mindless defense of the Saudis?
     
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    You obviously prefer to dog me than read the thread. How manly.
     

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