I hope a GOD exists but I am not holding my breath!

And if he did, I should think one of our key RELIGIOUS responsibilities is to preserve, maintain and enhance our species existence, especially those less fortunate, like the starving illiterate hundreds of millions that are currently struggling with their lives.

Why is it that people can haphazardly have children without planning for them, and even knowing that the children they already have they can't feed, clothe, house, or educate. Why, when they are so blatantly irresponsible for having a multitude of children that they can't care for, are we expected to help and 'preserve' them. It reminds me of a passage in the Bible: The Lord helps those who help themselves.

Here's an anecdote: A missionary went to a village in Southeast Asia and built a simple dirt irrigation canal for a village so the villagers would not have to carry water on their backs to water their crops. Why couldn't the villagers build their own irrigation canal? They've been in the same village for hundreds, if not thousands of years? You would think they would have built canals all over the place. Either it didn't cross their minds to build a canal, or they were too lazy. I say let them wallow in their own ignorance and or laziness. Irrigation is as old as the pyramids. WTF?

 

Being the same is irrelevant. It does not matter if it was calculated 1,000 years ago or today, garbage in gives garbage out.

 

Pray tell what calculation protocols would you use considering you are challenging the best Probability Calculation Mathematician's on the Planet???

AboveAlpha

 

Ignorance, illiteracy, religious dogma, lack of contraception or even the understanding of their use, and extreme poverty. I guess you haven't noticed that poor people have more children that middle class or rich people. this is especially true in impoverished third world nations. that is because a) infant mortality is high b) adolescent mortality is high and c) parent need some kids to survive to help them in their dotage.

why is it that otherwise educated people, refuse to accept that their standard of living, their education and their opportunities are vastly different than the majority of the planet.
Talk to a couple of Indian or Chinese peasants. Most of them have never even seen a damn flushing toilet.

You should spend some time in a dirt poor village in Asia or Africa sometime. Might actually give you cause to pause and consider the answer to your own question.


And btw. If you want to invoke the god's word, perhaps you should stew on these verses.


Proverbs 14:31 “Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his Maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him.”

Proverbs 22:9 “Whoever has a bountiful eye will be blessed, for he shares his bread with the poor.”

Proverbs 28:27 “Whoever gives to the poor will not want, but he who hides his eyes will get many a curse.”

Proverbs 31:20 “She opens her hand to the poor and reaches out her hands to the needy.”

Isaiah 61:1 “The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, because the LORD has anointed me to bring good news to the poor; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound…”

Matthew 19:21” Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

Galatians 2:10 “Only, they asked us to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.”

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Not sure a common housefly knows its a common housefly, or a worm knows its a worm.

 

My point is that even the observation of a Fly will collapse wave function and lock in value as far as Quanta.

AboveAlpha

 

No, a multiverse does not have to exist. It remains a hypothesis. QM has NOT proven the existence of the multiverse. It did open the door to such investigation and speculation, but in no way does it prove that the multiverse exists.

You can't find a single scientist (following the scientific method) that would claim that the Multiverse is a scientific theory. The hypothesis is as much in the realm of speculation and philosophy as it is in science.

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Which isn't the fly's consciousness, its an observation of our own.

 

If you read what I posted about the D-Wave experiment.....they made digital video of some of their early 100 Quibit Quantum Computers being robotically assembled.

No one was these videos and 4 years later they showed the videos of 4 of these Quantum Computers being assembled to a few men and the moment the men observed the assembly of the quantum systems at that moment 4 years later those 4 systems stopped working.

Then they put a fly in a clear plastic cup and taped it to the computer screen.

Again they showed a video of the next 4 quantum computers being robotically assembled as no observation can be made as they will not work.....again 4 years later the fly's observation being in the clear plastic cup taped to the screen also caused the next 4 quantum computers to stop working.

Thus observation by any life form capable of observation will cause collapse of wave function and lock in value.

Thus a FLY'S OBSERVATION OF A 4 YEAR OLD VIDEO OF 4 ROBOTICALLY ASSEMBLED QUANTUM COMPUTERS WAS ENOUGH TO CAUSE THEM TO NO LONGER FUNCTION!!!!


A Quantum Computer must be permanently sealed and never observed by anyone or anything during it's construction as to do so will not allow it to function as a Quantum System works in conjunction with all infinite in number alternate versions of itself in all divergent universal states of reality in a Multiversal System.

AboveAlpha

 

Were did you post this? Please provide me with a link. I am extremely interested since the "fly observation" is something I have not heard of before.

 

If he does exist, then he has a lot to answer for.

 

Whats the probability that life exists on another planet? Whats the probability that God exists? There is no way to come up with such numbers. For life on a planet we have a sample of one (earth) and we don't even know how it happened there, so they make up a number. It does not matter who makes up the number, it's still just a total wild guess with absolutely no factual basis. My number is as good as anyone else's including the "best Probability Calculation Mathematician's on the Planet".

 

No thanks on the spending time in a dirt poor village in Africa or Asian. Missionary work has never been my cup of tea.

With the food and financial aid the West gives to these people, there should be a stipulation that the women have to get a shot of depraprovera (sp) a small implant that works as a contraceptive for five years. Having children should not be a right when those children are going to grow up impoverished and hungry. They wouldn't have such high infant mortality if they would stop have baby after baby after baby.

In 25 years, Nigeria’s 167 million population will swell to 300 million, if current growth rates remain steady, according to The New York Times. That figure is almost on par with the current population of the United States, but in a land area a fraction of the size.

Nigeria’s exploding population reflects regional trends. Residents of Sub-Saharan Africa make up 12 percent of the global population. That portion is projected to jump to more than a third by the turn of the century. Globally, nearly all of the nations in which women give birth (on average) to more than five children are in sub-Saharan Africa.
- See more at: http://www.sos-usa.org/newsroom/nig...ving-world-population-gr#sthash.xmYIoak1.dpuf

How selfish of a couple to have children they can't properly feed, clothe, house, or educate just because they are going to need someone to take care of them in their old age.

Toilets have been around for a few thousand years. It is not rocket science.
The notion of not relieving oneself in the same water you drink out of isn't rocket science either.

I know how cold this sounds, but like the one 'signature' says, 'Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime' -- something like that.

Estimates suggest the West has spent about $600 billion on foreign aid to Africa since the 1960s

Yet underdevelopment is widespread, while at same time some states are considered to have collapsed (eg. Somalia).

http://www.academia.edu/202805/Fore...t_the_literature_says_and_what_the_reality_is

 

you're the one who created that parameter.

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actually, i had provided quotes that convey eastern origins for the belief. i did not originate the belief.

 

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yes, thank you. i'm aware of and hold to that theory. i also believe that humanity is a singular mass consciousness (a singular entity/soul) that has a symbiotic relationship with the spirit of GAIA earth.

 

Except that vast majority of that aid has not been dedicated to "teaching a man to fish", but has been dedicated to "giving them fish".

I find it rather repugnant that you would suggest that in order to allieviate their family's hunger and poverty, women should be sterilized to qualify.

Do you support abortion as a last resort to prevent those born into poverty and hunger? Or just that they should have their "reproductive rights" chemically suspended?

 

that doesn't negate your apparent confusion.

 

i was using your own terminology that you presented to communicate with you in the context of your understanding. you created the parameters within the discussion.

 

The Gaia Theory also includes all animate and inanimate things.

AboveAlpha

 

I have posted this with a LINK about...at MINIMUM.....30 times in 2 years on this forum.

This reality is a tenet of Quantum Mechanics.

AboveAlpha

 

We do know how life developed on Earth via Quantum Evolution.

There are over 200 experiments worldwide duplicating this.

8 have been singled out for stage 2 inquirer.

6 for stage 3.

Only 2 for stage 4.

By the end of 2016 or the beginning of 2017 we will have definitive confirmation of Genesis in the Lab.

The most difficult part is verification no life exists in the tank before the experiment begins.

AboveAlpha

 

I did a quick search on quantum evolution, and looked at a few of the papers that were published in the past year. There are a number of people working on it, most not dealing with the creation of life, but there are a few papers theorizing about how life started. But its not even close to creating life in the lab.

 

quite helpful - not.

 

Okay, in which case, it still doesn't negate your apparent confusion of the terminology I used.

 

I didn't say it was.

I was attempting to explain how via the universal physical laws and mechanisms which are known as Quantum Evolution that Quantum Particle/Wave Forms will continue to arrange themselves into greater and greater complexity till we get Hydrogen.....then Fusion and all Elements up to Iron then Supernova and all heavier elements then Chemical Reaction.....Molecules, Compounds, the VIRUS....then LIFE.

There are over 200 Lab experiments generating Genesis in the lab awaiting conformation.

LIFE....is a natural byproduct of the Universe and Multiverse.

AboveAlpha

 

Uhhhg!

I just did not feel like having to run that search!

Start with this and I will look for the rest.

LINK....http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/abs/10.1142/S021773230401357X


AboveAlpha