I want to start an online outreach to Satanists....

Somewhere I read something about the previous incarnations of Jesus, maybe as Isaiah or Elijah.

 

Here is one interesting webpage on that topic.....

https://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/jesus/introduction.html

 

Although I don't like researching about hell.....
I do feel that I need to know something about it and I just ran into information that fits with
my idea that Lucifer may well be acting in the mind set of Stanley Milgram Ph. D?

Hell seems to be MUCH WORSE for those who were leaders in the occult during this lifetime?????

That fits at least somewhat like the worst person in the STanley Milgram Ph. D. experiment is the person who
obeys and obeys and obeys and zaps the "Learner Subject" supposedly to the point where they could die or be seriously injured.

....

An obvious question that comes up would be......
what would happen if those in hell who had been deceived...... were to FORGIVE those who had deceived them??????

Would that be an important step for them to rise up out of the hellish realms?????

Of course though.... it is so much easier to deal with all of this while we are still human and still alive!

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/gay/christian-andreason.html#a14

 

Wow.... 17,707 views on this topic so far.........

 

Near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai was shown that Jesus went to hell for those three days in the heart of the earth.....
Former Atheist and near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava had a rather hellish experience that reminds me of Isaiah chapter fifty three on some level.s... and Matthew chapter four on other levels.....

I don't know of anybody else who has done a better job of covering this controversial topic than near death experiencer Dr. Kevin Zadai....




"Exposing the Nephilim" - Kevin Zadai
846,604 views
Streamed live on Oct 1, 2020

 

Well I used to think the devil was pretty cool and I fancied myself a Satanist.

Even got a pentagram tattoo. Does that count?

I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior you reckon I'll still get into heaven?

 

I think I even signed my soul over once upon a time.

That was a lot of drugs and years ago so I can't tell you for certain

 

But I don't call myself a Christian even though I believe Jesus Christ was the son of God who died for my sins...

The definition of Christian is to be christ-like and that's an awful big pair of sandals to fill and I ain't man enough

 

Many pastors portray Jesus and the Ancient of Days as being so scary and vengeful that any adversary to Jesus tends to sound like something of a Robin Hood type of person......

I heard a hellfire and brimstone sermon by Dr. Billy Graham back in 1966 or 1967 that caused me to embrace Atheism when I was taught Evolutionary Theory in Grade three or four.....

Actually...... evidence exists that hints that many, many, many famous people in Hollywood and in the music industry have done something similar.......

Yes... being like Jesus seems impossible to me.....
but then again Moses and all Israel faced an impossible situation at the Red or Reed Sea, (Yom S u p h in Hebrew).......

2010 Australian x factor winner Altiyan Childs exposes freemasonry – Dr Charlie Ward



I have a strange suggestion for people who have made a pact with Satan..... they have the option to do like I did back in 1990 and volunteer to become some sort of "goat for Azazel" but..... this can only be accomplished by a Messianic Jew or Messianic Gentile or Orthodox Jew who at least recognizes the Fast of Yom Kippur to at least some degree................. No practicing Satanist could become a "kosher' volunteer Yom Kippur goat type of person......

 

Any contract I may have signed was made null and void by the blood of Jesus Christ! Amen! I kind of feel like I want to say I sure as hell hope so but I don't know if I should say that....

 

In my opinion.... your saying that is brilliant... and wise.... .and accurate.....

and I am in a similar boat..... but I did hear audible voice twice .... once in 1990 and again in 1999.......
and I really do have something of my being some sort of volunteer Yom Kippur goat... whatever that means...... complex going on in my head......
(the only precedent that I can think of is Barabbas / Bar Abbas which is confusing)....... no... there is another one... Judas Didymus Thomas, (Doubting Thomas).......


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ination-for-nobel-prize-in-literature.542590/

Your nomination for Nobel Prize in Literature?

 

I know I'll probably get ridiculed for this...

Many years ago when I ate a lot of mushrooms all the time.... The voices rang out in my head....

I had a warning from the one above us about the path I was trodding down... But I persisted... Dumbass that I am...

Perhaps I will share it with you someday in a private message it's a long story. It was a very interesting time in my life.

 

You might just rather like the near death experience sort of thing that actor Larry Hagman reported......
He seems to have been altered by what he saw and heard.....


https://near-death.com/larry-hagmans-lsd-nde/

Larry Hagman’s LSD Near-Death Experience
BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 21, 2019

 

Good grief man .. Azazel is not Zeus .. Do we even have mention of this lowly Desert sprite outside of Biblical texts ?

Satanists - why would you want to reach out to Satanists ? Why should folks worship YHWH over the advocate ? a question you obviously can not answer coherently.

and last .. did you think some nut-job you came across in a "Satanist" forum .. has any clue who Satan is .. or represents all Satanists.

 

Both Azazel as well as Zeus did get into trouble with the daughters of men!

"but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD
to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness
to Aza'zel." (Leviticus 16:10)



OK..... so do you think that Messiah Yeshua -Jesus would play any sort of a practical joke on "Azazel"....whoever Azazel really is?????

Obviously ... his name being there in The Book of Enoch and then later in the Book of Leviticus would tend to get Azazel into trouble with former Covering Cherub Halel who is known to Christians as Lucifer / Satan.

So.... was the Word / Logos playing a joke on Azazel.... .or was his name being in the Book of Leviticus as well as in the Book of Enoch a prophecy that indicated that he would return to the G-d of Abraham?

Luke 7:47
"Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little."


Is this principle of those who are forgiven much coming to eventually LOVE MUCH a small or minor spiritual truth?????

What about some of the teachings of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov that relates to this principle????


https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nachman_of_Breslov

or.....

https://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_1.HTM

 

Lots of Gods played with earthly nymphs .. Im having trouble with equating Azazel to Zeus ..

I don't understand how Jesus not playing a joke on Azazel relates to whether or not he is Zeus.

This is some local city God ... or more likely a nature God as from your Leviticus passate this one is not a rival with YHWH - YHWH in fact tries to apease this God .. for the sins of his people .. the Israelites.

YHWH was related to smelting .. God of the Forge likely originating in the area of Elam .. God of Mountain .. God of Forge .. he could be closely related to some kind of Nature God Azazel .. "Desert God" or at least not at odds with this God.

I see no relationship to either Satan or Zeus.

 

The Story of Leda and the Swan give a link to Azazel, who was not merely a fallen angel.... but actually a Watcher who fell....
he was termed a son of G-d.... which is actually far beyond being a mere Covering Cherub like Halel once was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leda_and_the_Swan

The name "Azazel" being in both the Book of Enoch as well as in Leviticus would tend to make Azazel, (whoever Azazel was), a target for the fallen angels and for former Covering Cherub Halel who became Lucifer to Christians.

The Word / Logos who either came into Rabbi Yeshua -Jesus at conception.... or perhaps at the baptism by John..... would NOT casually put the name Azazel in Leviticus unless He had very good prophetic reasons to do so.

For the record I am not necessarily on exactly the same page as all Christians on many topics and I cannot rule out the possible connection between Matthew chapter four with.....

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/101679/jewish/The-Personality-of-Mashiach.htm

 

Good with most of what you say .. Don't know who this Cherub Halal is .. are you saying this is Satan .. or just who Christians view as Statan.

The problem with casting Satan as a "Fallen Angel" is that the Satan of Job -- is not a fallen angel .. or at least has not fallen out of Favor with the Most High .. 1) perhaps "Fallen" might refer to something other than anti-God. 2) There are Fallen ones .. just Satan was not part of this group.

These entities you are referring to - are referred to clearly as "Sons of God" Like the term in Psalm 82 "Sons of the Supreme One" But these are not Son's of YHWH .. who is addressing his brothers and defeats them in this Psalm The "Supreme one in this Story is "EL" head of the Divine Council https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/psa82.pdf

Which takes us to 3) Satan is a Son of El .. the Most High - a fallen one - the fallen one meaning not "anti -EL" but rival to YHWH -

..

 

Yes... Covering Cherub Halel got translated into Lucifer in the English language of the Bible....

In one way Lucifer was setting in motion something of a psychological experiment and his reasons are not known to me but
one of them apparently was jealousy over the Creators plans for Adam and Eve and humankind.

Lucifer probably feels that he is unfallen and that instead the Creator was being unjust but....
if Lucifer had NOT been kicked out of heaven he would have led far more than merely one third of the angels into rebellion / his
variation on a psychological experiment in competition and a very different way of life other than humility and love.

https://near-death.com/richard-eby-nde/
Dr. Richard Eby’s NDE and the Second Coming of Christ
BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 26, 2019

Since the time of this rebellion the Creator knew that nobody could be let into the highest vibrational levels unless they were humble....
which is one of the characteristics that Satan certainly rejected.


Isaiah 57:15
"For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones."


https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/14/1/s_693001
Isaiah chapter fourteen....

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.


Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

I assume that the Prince of Tyrus is a symbol for the final anti-Christ person who will be like Antiochus or Nero... (I would suspect from the wording in Daniel chapter eleven that this may be Antiochus reincarnated)....
The King of Tyre on the other hand sounds like former Covering Cherub Halel who became Lucifer Satan....

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/28/1/s_830001
Ezekiel chapter twenty eight....

Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:

By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.

They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.

Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.


Hebrew and Greek are very different languages from English... for example the word translated "forever" actually means "until the end of conditions last" so I assume that
Azazel and the Watchers return to their Creator and the Creators ways of thinking first... .and then later the love of the Creator even invades hell itself and changes it......
radically.....

 

Some interesting passages .. "Son of the morning Star"

So Isaiah 14 and 57 are 2 different authors .. 57 doesn't really tell us much .

14 on the other hand also the more ancient one -- who is the "Son of the Morning Star" .. Lucifer is just the Latin Translation .. not anything to do with any name at that time .. so what was the name of this "Son of God" that Isaiah was refering to ..

Is not Satan .. no way. Inanna "Ishtar" is the morning star .. A Greek counterpart - the male incarnation - was called Phosphorus .. meaning light of course .. from wence the element gets its name.

This is part of Trinity - Sun - Moon - Morning Star - Jesus was referred to also as the Son of the Morning Star -- as was Mary Magdaline .. is an 8 pointed star .. old paintings have this emblem on Mary...

So this is the main Goddess of the Sumerians Babylonians - Assyrians .. and everyone else in the Near east has a version.. well .. every religion ... this is the fertility Goddess .. of Death .. and Rebirth .. celebrated on the spring equinox .. naked virgins dancing round the fire if you were a druid ..to bring on the good harvest .. a festival celebrated by every culture ..and celebrated to this day ... the name has not changed ... Christians worship Ishtar .. on "Easter" which is just a transliteration over time.. didn't even bother to change the name of the festival co-opted. Ishtar - Inanna is also a God of War.

Also we should note .. that Inanna tries to conquor the underworld .. to rule both below and above .. Goes there for 3 days Just like HeyZeus ...

The Israelite religion always had this Trinity . in one form or another .. which included the Feminine. The Serpent in the Garden is the Evil Counterpart .. also Feminine .. "Tiamat" The Primordial Sea .. Chaos .. the dark side of the force if you will .. but things were not divided that way so much .. more like Chaos and Order .. but mixed with some dark .. but not a black vs white paradigm

So .. who/What is Isaiah referring to ? -- This may be representing the break away from the old Trinity which included the Feminine . and or "nature God" so to speak .. which can be in the form of a Male .. male Gods tending to dominate as time progressed

OK .. so who is competing with YHWH at this time ? Called "Baals" in the Bible but he is competing with the other Sons of God for supremacy on Earth .. whcih is important because Supremacy above is different .. Marduk for example went out .. beat up on Tiamat .. was rewarded by the Gods Above .. became Chief God on Earth .. Enlil however is still "The Most High" in the heavens .. God of the Mountain .. Creator God(s) "The Father" and all the other various epiphets.

So YHWH is one of the sons vying for power .. battling all the Patron Gods of the other Towns .. Psalm 82 follows this pattern .. same as Marduk .. YHWH becomes supreme over the other Gods on Earth .. El - Enlil - Ellil .. Still the Supreme one in the heavens.

Now this is what the Israelites believe .. Way late in the Game .. after Northern Kingdom - which was 90% of the population of Israel -- no one wanted Judah .. rough country .. good for goats .. was Toasted by the Assyrians .. Jerusalem is all that is left .. and is under siege by the Assyrians

No one is worshiping YHWH up to this point - Hezekiah has just reinstated YHWH worship .. no suprize as they are looking to blame displeasure of some God on what has just happened .. must have upset YHWH .. We are also getting the first vestages of Monotheism .. but this is hotly debated .. definitely the Persian religion Zoroastrianism was when Monotheism really took hold .. but let us call this a transition.

I think the use of Son of the Morning Star terminology could be an archtype for the Jews - who are all that are left - moving away from nature worship .. in most of its various forms .. not all though ..

But this does not seem like the Tester .. Same fellow who tests Jesus .. in both cases .. sent by God ..which must be considered. Satan is acting as per God's will . and not outside of his will in Job .. this is clear as the day is long .. we can infer this onto the Testing scene of Jesus .. Satan is somewhat like Loki .. bit of a trickster God .. Which brings us to Enki .. Enlil's counterpart .. also taking part in Creation .. part of a triad .. Anu - Father of the Father .. Enlil, Enki.

but Enki is also associated with Nature .. and his sons were vying for power .. Cant remember whether it is Marduk or Nebo who is the son of Enlil or Enki .. in any case its Nebo who comes and lays waste to Jerusalem .. Nebochadnezzar.

If we can relate Isaiah's Son of light to Enki .. that might be a fit for Satan .. but I don't think we can .. would be a son of Enki being referred to .. a male parallel to Inanna - "Ishtar" ..

The "US" .. in the creation of man story in Genesis .. definitely includes Enlil and Enki and Inanna .. possibly others ..

 

I really liked the explanation shown to a near death experiencer that the Seven Spirits of G-d are the Fourteen Elohim of Genesis chapter one....
seven pairs of twins.... a male and a female pair of members of the most ancient family.

I also liked the really old Book of Adam and Eve and felt their ideas on Satan as a rival to Adam added interesting details....


https://reluctant-messenger.com/eden_1.htm

 

The Advocate is not the Serpent .. The Serpent in Genesis -- is the Primordial one - on the opposite side of God .. the Yin to God's Yan. Not a character you are going to find hanging out with the Most High on a regular basis - as does Satan .. nor would the Serpent be counted among the "sons of God" Bine - Elohim or however that is spelt .. This is a different character in the play.

I really disliked the "old book of Adam and Eve" unfortunately .. was obviously written after the First Century AD . .. filled with Pauline theology..

If you want to know the Identity of the Serpent .. try looking at writings around the time when Genesis was written .. 2500-1800 BC - to understand who the people living at that time thought the Serpent was .. Not just the Israelites - but everyone in the near east .. they all know who the Serpent was ..

Tiamat is the Primordial Serpent - the primordian sea from which the "High Gods" were created who then revolt .. and try to bring order to the chaos. Tiamat and minions are subdued .. head crushed .. and she bites the Dust.

In the Genesis story we have "The Serpent" try to bring chaos to the perfect world of Adam and Eve .. The disturbance in the Force if you like Star Wars. Who is then subdued .. head crushed .. and the Serpent bites the Dust..

Now ... the Serpent could be Tiamat herself . or one of the minions from that side .. one of those who is opposite to The Most High .. the other side. Not welcome in the celebrations among the High Gods and the Sons of God in their celestial realm ..those on the side of chaos. rather than a "Good vs Evil" paradigm .. although now completely without. The Serpent is a deceiver and a shining one .. all three in the Hebrew name.

In any case .. Satan does God's bidding .. does not act outside the will of God - so not on the side of the Chaos Gods. Nor is this the Morning Star IMO... This is however the fellow that comes to test Jesus .. again at Gods bidding which can be inferred from the story.

Jesus is not a "Son of God" in the same way as the other Sons of God. Jesus is a son of God being wrought from human and God rather than God and God .. and So Jesus is tested like a human .. The "Son of Man"

In Mark Jesus is made divine .. learns who is Father is .. as a man of 30 at his Baptism.. but Baptism is not the only part of the ritual now is it.. Jesus must go through a trial prior to recieving the Title "King of the Jews" .. the Messiah.

Consider the Story .. Sataniel offers Jesus the world.. Jesus knows the offer is not a joke .. but declines unlike Eve.
Sataniel chides Jesus .. to test this other God .. like Job .. a man .. Jesus passes the test .. Jesus clearly knows this is a God testing him .. and we all know of Satan's God-Like Powers demonstrated in Job .. this is not an "Angel"

 

Thank you for these very interesting comments indeed......
something that truly amazed me is the level of correspondence between Matthew chapter four with the very difficult near death experience of former Atheist who is now an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi, Alon Anava. Something else intriguing is that his teaching since his 2001 brush with death also remind me greatly of Matthew chapters five, six and seven... the very basic philosophy of the Sermon on the Mount.



My Life After Death Experience" with Alon Anava
151,885 views
Oct 5, 2014


His second brush with death resulted in an even more intriguing vision in which he first met the Baal Shem Tov and then later saw a dark angel with wings and feet like an eagle who seemed at this time to be very interested in ending idolatry in any form!

Is this dark angel of Rabbi Alon Anava's second brush with death a somewhat repentant former cherub who has learned from his errors of the past?????

I am not sure what to make of all this.....
but at the minimum this is all interesting indeed and sure sounds like the Era of Moshiach is getting very close indeed?!


You are going to want to go to the 1:11:00 mark in this video about the second near death experience account of Rabbi Alon Anava and Revelations chapter 12 will begin to make a lot more sense.

Revelation 12:9
"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

 

Yes .. is it not interesting how "Revelations" picks up on the story .. for near the first time in any detail, in all of the NT ..

but keeping in mind we are talking the NT - as in 100 AD .. not 2500BC. This is important because we are trying to understand not who you and I thought the serpent was .. but who those who wrote the story thought the serpent was .. in 2500 BC. Someone in 100AD is going to have a different take.

In Revelations you have more of a "Good vs Evil" narrative .. while the old cosmology contains some of this .. it is more chaos vs order.
The author of Revelations does however get character of the king-pin on the Dark side correct .. the Great Serpent .."old serpent" hearkening back to the primordial nature .. one of the original Gods.

Then this Dreamer messes it all up .. and uses the general term "Devil" .. which is just this person putting his dream into the perspective of his cosmology..

but what do we say of the Serpent in Revelations - which I need to study more - but one thing we can say for sure

1) This is a God
2) A God with significant Power
3) as what would be the point of "The Most High" showing up personally to do battle ?

 

Yes...... the Serpent has amazing power to deceive.....
my belief is that Covering Cherub Halel / Lucifer and his one third of the fallen angels were cast out of heaven because
their mind set would have soon infected another significant percentage of the angels who had not yet fallen.....
so the original Creator and the Elohim were left with little choice except to cast them out......

...... one possibility is that the fallen angels got more and more and more and more angry and hateful over time much as
a revolution can begin with relatively noble goals but over time corruption gets worse and worse and worse.

The Russian and Chinese Communist Revolutions began with relatively high aspirations... but then people like Stalin and Mao rose to the top and
genocide and extreme oppression of dissident thought in any form began.

The Messianic Jewish and Messianic Gentile movements of the first and second century barely resemble what Roman Catholicism had evolved into within four centuries.....

At this time this earth is one of the most messed up spiritual environments in the universe / multiverse but.... the Creator has very high expectations and plans for this planet and for us humans.


"My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be theirGod, and they shall be my people."
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/eze/37/27/s_839027


Near death experiencer and former Atheist Mellen Benedict was given a hint of this amazing future plans for this earth.