I will now prove atheists are illogical Part 2.

Yes, I asked for JediMiller's proof, IF it was any more than his own experiences. I had hoped that people whose reading comprehension was just fine, would understand that from the context. I'm happy to hear what you think of as evidence too... but be real. If I just posted links to atheist websites that you hadn't seen before but clearly just reapeated the same stuff you've already heard in other, similar sites, would you give it the time of day?

Nah, I would try not to go around making gross generalisations about a whole group of people, unlike some posters.

 

Allow me to clarify, though I fear your misunderstanding is not accidental.

I was not speaking to your in this thread. I was speaking to the fellow who authored the OP.

 

And, as I have referrenced, I know the author of the OP, and he is going to ffer you the same Apologetics that I have. These are, of course, not completely conclusive, a point you refuse to acknowledge.

Now IF you can bring yourself to acknowledge that salient point, we can perhaps move on to the fallacious portion of your counter arguement.

Feel free to make it.

A: Christian apologetic, though suggestive, are not definitively conclusive.

B: Atheist response is ....

Why you gotta problem with me!!! I fear this misunderstandin is quite deliberate on your part!!!

Funny, I was just thinking the same thing quite in reverse.

 

See above. Jedi will refer you to the same sources as above.

I have also personally given you the proof, remember Troy?, and here you are aksing someone to spoon feed you something as well.

Apparently, its hard to go to a list of one page articles about speific aspects and rebut even ONE of them.

And yet, it brings us to the same point again.

A: Christian Apologetics are strongly suggestive, but not conclusive.

B: Well, they are NOT plausible in ythe slightest because I say so.

Really?

Is this the 'logic' of atheism?

 

So do you have this proof that the other poster claimed to have or not?

 

No, it isn't, as I'm sure you're well aware. Is there really any point rebutting just one of those pages? I'll do that if you like but won't you just point me at the others?

For example, I randomly chose one: http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/jealous_god.html

It doesn't even attempt to present evidence of god's existence, merely debunks one of the claims someone might make to attempt to DIS prove a biblical god's existence. I can happily accept the crux of that point and we're no further toward proof in either direction.

Now what?

 

Yeah, I will again refer you to Christian Apogetics, the sources, or some coomon ones, have been listed for you.

Nice dodge though, greast length to set up a faalacy, and here we go round and round while logic driven atheists say or support absolutely nothing.

 

Well pick one then. Examine it and see if it is suugestive are utterly meritless.

Eventually, after you've gone through a couple of dozen points, it get rather hard to ignore the suggestive nature of the observation.

Just like a single answered prayer can be avoided ... but millions of them? That is a problem for those that say that there is either no evidence, or that the evidnece is utterly nutter isn't it?

Atheism is thus, far less logical than theism.

 

I just did. You want another one too?

 

Is that a no?

 

Its already been done.

Is that a lazy? Yep.

 

Agh, so the fact that it kickied down a small portion of denial is not relevantto the point I just made. Noted.

Millions of answered prayers. Millions of them.

Just a mass delusion, I know.

 

Thanks for noting that. I mean, I thought your point was "god exists", not "some of the claims people make to disprove god are wrong." If the latter is what you're claiming here, then apologies for the misunderstanding and I won't disagree with that claim at all.

Delusion is a strong word with very negative connotations, I try to avoid it in cases like this. So, millions out of how many exactly? And how many million of these have evidence of supernatural agency?

 

Of course it has not been provided. Not a single time have you or anyone in this thread offered any proof of any such supernatural being.

 

Prof. You are not the issue with atheism. Whats at issue are the two posters who started the debate and utterly refuse to acknowledge what you do - namelu Questerr and stoney.

And remember, if you want proof of God - ask him. I did, you'll get it. It'll come at the time and the place of his choosing, but I swear to God you will get a response.

I did. Millions have. Now you tell me whether or not that is supernatural ... or something else?

You tell me, well before I knew it, that the Bible predicts that no one comes to God except by the spirit? A prediction made well before I ever knew it ... and it was true.

Knowledge can only lead to agnosticism. Yet faith with knowledge leads inexorably to God. Atheists claim that this is not so ... Billions know better.

 

Poor nuewty. Always making wild claim that he/she cannot back up.

 

So we are back that already.

Prof and I have a discussion about a specific piece of evidence that has apparently not been presented.

The only one not presenting evidence would be ... you.

Ergo, atheism and all its concern about logic and reason is ... a lie. Atheism is thus illogical.

Its not like any one of you is making a case for the logic of atheism. Just one liner denials of the obvious. Nice.

Thx for proving the point.

 

But I have asked for proof of god. I've prayed. I've asked for miracles. I've asked for him to present himself. All of that was a long time ago, of course, but none of it happened. How long does he need? And if he doesn't reveal himself until days before I die, is it unreasonable for me to believe he doesn't exist until that day? What if he NEVER reveals himself to me?

And by the way, "billions know better" is a logical fallacy. Millions of people love The X-Factor, that doesn't mean it's any good.

 

You asked for a mircale? Hmmm ....

Try asking for proof. Tray asking him with a genuinely open heart and mind, and see what happens.

But simply claiming, 'I have!', when literally billions HAVE, and they get a different result? Tell me, why would God reveal himself to me, and billions of others, but not YOU?

Are you genuinely searching for God? Or searching for an excuse? Do you think God knows which one is the reality?

The Holy Spirit moves billions ... but not you, eh? Interesting.

Please bear in mind, as a former atheist, I asked many times just as you claim. But it was on the cusp of accepting God, when I was finally open to him that I became aware of just how real he is ... and that he had been waiting for me to come to a place where he could give me, and I could actually accept, just what I wanted: proof.

 

Billions? I think you're exaggerating, although admittedly it's probably a large number that think they have been given proof. It's a real shame that god only sees fit to prove himself to people who are more open-minded than I; I guess god doesn't want me then, eh?

 

No. I never left it.

The other poster stated they had proof. i asked ofr it. Your involvement was completely voluntary.

 

So is your deliberate avoidance of exactly what you ask for.

Let me know when you can make a case rather than an excuse.

 

You bet. Are we through?

 

How can you prove anything to the closed minded Prof?

Why do you think poster like TFM are demanding proof, and then serially denying it? Why do you think stoney has spent years running around screaming there is no God a tossing magic spaghetti about? You think its proof that drives his antics one way or another?

Its you that does not want God, quite simple. But there is always an excuse to keep the heart the closed, the eyes blind. And when given a challenge, one that has been succesful for billions .... best to have those excuses lined up.

Once again, why would God reveal himself to me in a way that is undeniable, though not reproduceable, but not you?

Once again, if this is what you show God:



Well, God could be dancing all around you, but you will never see it, hear it, nor acknowledge it.

Must be God's fault though?

 

Did you ever even start? Or just waste 50 posts on one liner excuses?

You tell me when you actually want to have a conversation with an open mind, rather than a set up for a fallacy.

Tough I now - actually have to examine your own faith .... actually have to support your own faith ... but you know you can't, so you don't.

Seems pretty simple to me.