If you wanted to, how would you foment Civil War in America?

Would you attack the Second Amendment, knowing full well that a large number of people would be against the deprivation of their Second Amendment rights and would be willing to fight to preserve those rights?

Would you instigate occasions, circumstances, conditions, events and happenings that caused the masses to want to abolish the Second Amendment?

How would you go about instigating these kinds of events without being detected as the instigator and types of tools would you use to leverage mass acceptance for the removal of the Second Amendment? Would you use television because you knew it was a tool for delivering a message to the masses and shaping mass opinion at the same time? How would you gain such control over television and what its producers put forth as programming?

Who benefits from Civil War in America and who would profit from it the most? Who benefits from a weak societal fabric in America, having a population constantly at each others throats? When the United States is weak, who is strong, knowing that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction?

What's the best way to get rid of firearms in America, and how do you get a majority to want to get rid of them?

 

we have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States. don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and regulate them well.

 

If you want to foment civil war, do not allow conservatives to have any platforms.

Just this week youtube began steps to ban Louder with Crowder from youtube .... a channel with over 3 million subscribers, twitter deplatformed Carl Benjamin (Sargon Of Akkad) an extremely popular youtuber who is running for election in UKIP (British political party) and Amazon began banning books from conservatives. If they take away the ability of conservatives to speak, then it will be a piece of cake to take their guns. This is NOT an American civil war, this is a civil war between Westerners fighting to preserve a semblance of freedom against global liberal elites who are determined to take it away (with the aid of the MSM).

 

I'd just continue to let things go as they are going now. Let one party continue going to the extreme left the other to the right. Let the ultra partisanship, polarization and hate grow between parties. Try to destroy each other's elected officials. Put the good of the political party above the good of the nation, encourage more loyalty to political party than country.

I'd just let things continue as is.

 

I would elect a large orange hate monger blob as president!!

 

The militia is to be regulated. But wait, it is.

Guns are guaranteed all citizens. And such rights are not to be infringed.

Here is how I see the common gun.

I once owned a machine shop. We used tubing to make parts for various companies.

So I see the barrel as just a tube. The balance of the gun I see as good quality steel machined to a shape to add the barrel to. In combination i see a device to guide a bullet. I see the balance as to hold unfired bullets in housings of brass.

I see it locked up in a gun safe. I see it mounted at my fathers home up on his wall. I see them stuck into closets. I see them in parents cabinets or their drawers.

I do not see legions of guns out walking about to harm any human.

I see a simple machine.

As to the owners, most of the violence comes our way from devoted democrats. But even at that, i do not see a way to remove their rights.

So tell me how to remove the rights of democrats?

 

How do you define a "Gun Lover" in the first place? Second, how do you regulate them? I can't love an inanimate object because it cannot love me back and love is reciprocal. Loving something that does not love you back is rather pointless and a form of sadism towards oneself.

 

I'm afraid you are spot on.

 

Just this week youtube began steps to ban Louder with Crowder from youtube .... a channel with over 3 million subscribers, twitter deplatformed Carl Benjamin (Sargon Of Akkad) an extremely popular youtuber who is running for election in UKIP (British political party) and Amazon began banning books from conservatives. If they take away the ability of conservatives to speak, then it will be a piece of cake to take their guns.


I had to look'em up. Thanks.:


Being a "Black" Man (I put "Black" in quotes because I have to use the term in this current paradigm that does not recognize my genetic distinctions - another thread), I think reparations should have been paid in 1865, to all the Slaves upon the signing of the 13th. That was the appropriate time to do it and it would have been the absolute Moral thing to do - without question and without failure. However, even contemplating reparations today is absurd given the genetic back-propagation that has taken place since 1865. I have Ancestry that fought in every single War this country has had since its founding. I served this country myself. I have Ancestry that came back from war, hit the streets of America and was told to use a different public restroom, drink out of a different public water fountain, not allowed to catch a taxi, not served in a restaurant open to the public, asked to leave a movie theaters after buying a ticket and otherwise discriminated against after having fought valiantly or after having supported fighting units with distinction. That sh*t was wrong and yes, they did deserve reparations. Without question and without fail.

However, the notion of reparations today is completely a waste of time, especially for "Black" People. We have more than $3 Trillion and the number grows annually. We should be collectively using that capital to grow economic infrastructure that provides for and supports the lifting of "Black America" in its entirety into the upper middle class and upper class economic echelons in this country. Instead, my "Black" People, would rather decide to not unite, not coalesce, not band together and not build the future that their Ancestors, who built the first two Great Civilizations of the world would respect and admire.

The exact same forces that sought to keep "Black" People weak and divided in this country, are the exact same forces that seek to divide America for the purpose of maintaining their interests in the Centralized Global World Order that is to "come."

The "war" is on right now. It has been raging for quite some time.

 

Hmmm. An interesting strategy. My question would be: Who is behind the division calculus?

 

That's very interesting indeed. That would certainly generate mistrust, fear, loathing, intimidation, threats and even outright violence. There would be discussions of "Constitutional Crisis" and Congress would be frozen and paralyzed with "hearings," "investigations" and not managing the nation's business which only servers to further weaken destabilize the country. In four years, you could then run a Gray Haired Wild Socialist who would slingshot the country clear across the other side of Ultra World. The country would rip itself apart from the whiplash effect alone after so many such election cycles. Very interesting strategy.

 

It could be a natural progression occurrence. If one is old enough, one can remember when both major parties had their conservative and liberal wings. That was an era when close to 80% of Americans affiliated with both major parties. Then one party shed its conservative wing while the other shed its liberal wing. As a result one party started moving further and further right, the other further and further left. Then as time progressed both started getting rid of their moderates. Either that the more moderate factions, the center, center left and center right deserted their parties as each moved further away from the middle.

What we have today is only around 55% of all Americans identify or affiliate with the two major parties. Independents whose ideology is more middle America, somewhere in-between the two parties has grown from less than 20% to 44% if one believes Gallup. This has left the two parties with their hard core ideologues,in charge. Where both parties now preach hate and fear of the other party.

I don't think you can pinpoint anyone person or country if that is what you are implying. Here's Pew Research on party strength 1939 through 2014. Perhaps you can pinpoint a date and time.

https://www.people-press.org/interactives/party-id-trend/

Here's Gallup's which takes you up to 9 Apr 2019.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

I think those who aren't hard core left or right leaving the two major parties who provided the moderating influence on both parties could be the cause for the hard core polarization and hyper ultra partisanship we have today. Or it might have always been there, just that we were united by the external threat caused by the cold war. With that threat removed, we turned on ourselves. I'm open to suggestions.

 

No, it's a war between sane, intelligent people, and people half out of their minds from right-wing propaganda that has been drilled into their heads for decades now. Climate change is a hoax, the deep state, birthers, vaccine paranoia, claims we never landed on the moon, and even human fish babies, from one of trump's favorite nut jobs.

This is the right wing today. Morbid fear over Obama, Hillary, the deep state, and human fish babies.

 

Obama wasn't orange.

 

Nor was he a hate monger. And to say he was is inane and dishonest.

 

why do we have security problems in our free States? our Second Amendment is more cost effective than our alleged and wasteful, wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

 

Only as a well-regulated militia. Nothing guarantees the right of ownership, only the right to bear arms. That means all weapons could be required to be issued by the government and tracked.

Law enforcement agencies around the country have deemed that terrorism due to right-wing extremists, is a greater threat than Islamic terrorism.

 

and lefties who we deal with here on a daily basis.

I've tried debating them, and since they can't, they don't.

It's not just the globalists, but your ordinary average american lefty who we have to fight. They don't mind violence, so the way to foment civil war is to be that one guy that says to hell with these morons, and starts killing the enemy.

That one braveheart dude is what is going to eventually start it, and it's not too far off. The left have given up on any semblannce of sanity, so it's only a matter of time.

 

Umm that's not true he was very much a hate monger.
Why else would he use the IRS to target conservative nonprofits? Why before an investigation was even started say that there was no wrongdoing?
Why would he he side with black lives matter against our Police??
Thoes were hateful acts.

Thinking he was some great president is stupid. He pretty much waged war against conservatives. He abused his office like none since.

 

So you glorify the guy who starts randomly killing people. I think I need to call the FBI.

 

Total nonsense. He didn't stand in front of crowds calling for mass murder, extreme torture, violence against protesters, and he didn't fall in love with cold-blooded killers. That you can't tell the difference between your crackpot conspiracy theories, and a true threat to humanity like trump, is just sickening.

The entire right wing makes my stomach turn. And I used to be a republican; until the party went insane.

 

As far as the second ammendment.
You cannot claim to uphold the constitution and be in favor of more gun control.

To be in public service you must take an oath to uphold the constitution. Therefore any government employee who advocates for more gun control is in violation of their oath of office and should lose their job.

 

You know anything of history, or you would know that randomly killing people is generally how things like this start.

but then, you're a lefty, so of course you know nothing of history.

We're talking about war. Not some moron calling the cops because the germans are marching into belgium.

You wouldnt know anything about that, but... thats okay. Its expected.

 

Are the Muslims included in the left wing?

Actually the constitution does say a well regulated militia but show me any state in the US that lacks the well regulated militia and I will go pop some popcorn.

I meant that we can purchase our firearms, not that the magic sky fairy in Government would hand them to us for free.

Given the very nature of terrorism, I believe the left owns that puppy.