If you wanted to, how would you foment Civil War in America?

Well- at least this time you kind of got a small part of it right, when you point to NUTS. But it's not someone who enjoys guns that we're talking about, it's someone who enjoys KILLING, and chooses a gun as a weapon instead of any of a thousand other weapons.

Without the KILLER, the gun is a paperweight.... And guess what? A paperweight can also become a weapon and be used tp kill- But only IF it is in the hands of a person who wants to kill. And it the same is true of a knife.... or a rock, or a fist, or a screwdriver, or a car, or a hammer, or for that matter- the jawbone of an ass. Nearly anything used in the proper fashion can be a murder weapon.

I never think much of your logic, but I have no doubt you are smart enough to understand that the statement above is absolutely true. You know that absent a person who intends to kill- all those things are harmless on their own, and have absolutely no malice. You will refuse to agree- but you DO know it is true. Do you fear guns..... Or, do you fear people having guns and being capable of defending the nation against tyranny?

YOU are a potential killer- all of us are. There is not a gun, nor any other thing in the world which could be used as a weapon that harbors any intent to kill- that is the sole property of HUMAN BEINGS.

ACCEPT the responsibility of being a potential killer; stop trying to say "The devil makes me do it". Doing so allows you to avoid the truth.... and that is not a smart thing to do.

 

Both parties seem to ignore our express Second Amendment. We should have no security problems.

 

thank Goodness for our most excellent Constitution.

 

How do you foment a civil war?

Arm as many people as possible and rile up one group against the other...ya know...like Putin is trying to do.

 

There are no individual rights in our Second Amendment. It is about the security of a free State; the People may not be infringed in the keeping and bearing of Arms for their State or the Union.

 

only in regard to the security of our free States.

State Constitutions secure natural rights not our Second Amendment.

 

The best bet on creating a civil war is Donald Trump. If he gets re-elected 3/4 of America will start rebelling and if he loses his Minions will Git there Guns.

 

Amazing. Everything is getting better- salaries up, business expanding rapidly, unemployment way down for every category and racial group, stock market on fire, regulations being reduced, money and companies leaving the US for foreign lands reversed and coming back, talks with NK happening, and yet we have- people fighting to block every advance, and spontaneously soiling themselves every time the president tweets or speaks.

No wonder the rest of the world thinks we are a nation of fools. I this continues, immigration will come to a halt naturally because sane people don't want to live in the midst of such nonsense.

 

What is amazing is that his supporters would sell out this country for a buck - a buck that will just drive up the national debt. It doesn't take a genius to realize that there are temporary benefits to gutting critical protections for US citizens, not to mention departments like Homeland Security, and cutting taxes for the uber rich. That is ALL your fearless criminal president has done besides enrich himself and abuse power like none before.

The world is laughing at trump. They literally laughed AT him at the UN. If you haven't figured that out by now then there is no hope for you. You elected a jackass and a thug, and the whole world knows it.

 

The people have no right to vote to infringe on that right.
The 2nd ammendment is not axsecond class right. It's every bit as important and sacred as the right to free speech and freedom of religion.

 

The 2nd ammendment defines itself.

In order to maintain a well regulated militia the rights of the people to keep and bare arms must not be infringed.

Only an authoritarian would read it any other way.

 

We don't care about the world much. The world has it's own countries to solve their own problems. We only care about US citizens.

 

And free speech, will be infringed, every time we vote for that, and some other times. You being sued, for using your free speech, to harm others, IS AN INFRINGEMENT, on your SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED speech.

 

Americans are by far too rich, spoiled, and fat to have a civil war.

Too much to lose and not physically able.

Guess we'll just have to live with each other.

 

Our Second Amendment is about the security of our free States not Individual rights.

It says so in the Intent and Purpose clause.

 

The People may not be Infringed in the keeping and bearing of Arms for their State or the Union, for their security.

 

No it says the way to ensure a free state is to make sure that you don't mess with the rights of the people to keep and bare arms.

 

it can't say that; it is about the security of our free States not individual rights.

 

No the rights of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed . So that they might be useful to ensure a free state.

 

Most likely scenario for civil war soon is for Trump to win in 2020 and the democrats win supermajority in the house and senate. If that happens and they impeach trump you will see a civil war.

Fortunately the dems are going to get obliterated in 2020 so that shouldn't be a problem.

 

The other way to start a civil war is to indict Obama and throw him in jail. That would almost immediately start a civil war.

 

If it's proven in court he engaged in criminal activity?

 

It is important to eliminate the radicals from any group in order to assess that group. You seem to believe that the lefties here are supportive of the violent left extremists, not matter how often we decry them.

Of course there is difference of thought from the right and left - and its a good thing we do. Choice is vital. But when one side sees the other as the 'enemy', we have a problem. A serious problem. Do you honestly believe that, because a group believes that all Americans should have equal access to education and medical services, they are your enemy?

I have seen plenty of 'debate' between left and right on this site. In order for that to happen, though, there needs to be an agreement that each comes from a different place and that place is not evil. Perhaps your difficulty in engaging in debate comes from the notion that you see them as your enemy and engage as such....just a though...

 

If it is proven that he did commit crimes, no matter how much evidence and no matter how many witnesses, it will trigger a civil war if he goes to jail. It is why he will never go to jail, almost no matter what.

 

The whole constitution is about securing the blessings of liberty, liberty= individual freedom.
The intent of the founding fathers was to acknowledge that people have the rights .
It's not the founding fathers handing out the rights they wanted people to have. They have the rights apart from government, the constitution just acknowledges that thoes rightd exist.
The founding fathers knew that people owned and used firearms in their daily lives that is why they choose specific wording.
The rights of the people..
Absolutely an individual right.
Also consider it's context nestled nicely between two other ammendments. Both individual rights.