Ignorance concerning Covid is taking a toll.

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  1. Chrizton

    Chrizton Well-Known Member

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    Translation: Despite all the Obamacare promises, rural healthcare still sucks.
     
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    And nor is it factual.
     
  5. ToughTalk

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    I am showing concern. By sticking up for those who wish to have a choice.

    Buy the mask I suggested and protect yourself absolutely instead of demanding that everyone else dance to your tune.
     
  6. Natty Bumpo

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    Your ideological dogma evokes the Loser's vow to replace 'ObamaCare' with "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!" at "lower cost!"

    Instead, whilst the Loser was building his "big, beautiful wall!" that he made "Mexico!" pay for, 'ObamaCare' became even more popular with the American people.

    Americans' support for the 2010 Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, has increased to a record-tying high of 55%
    December 9, 2020

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/327431/affordable-care-act-approval-tied-high.aspx
     
  7. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I feel sorry for folks like you stuck in a whirlpool of illogic and emotions.
     
  8. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    If you can't deal with empirical data, cling to your ideological dogma.

    Your notion that media entertainers know more about public health than do public health experts, epidemiologists, and virologists is consistent with the weird worship of one Cry Baby Loser who can't handle the truth.
     
  9. Hoosier8

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    Someone thinks photos, ad Homs, and memes are empirical data.
     
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  10. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    If you need to deny the reality that your weird worship is of the 2020 Loser who incited his goons to attack Congress, and that media entertainers know more about public health than recognized medical experts, that is what you will do.
     
  11. Natty Bumpo

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    I don’t expect anything but rage fueled nonsense from you.
     
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    Hundreds of thousands of people have died since Halloween. Does that mean they died because of Halloween? According to your logic, the answer is yes.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Typical nonsensical reply for you PLF. It is very easy to understand, given your bias. Attempting to defend the indefensible often leads to nonsensical statements.
     
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    Florida is a free state.
    A refuge from deadly irrational Wuhan C19 policies and rules.

    “If you’ve just moved here or are visiting, you are now in “Free Florida.” Everything is open. Masks are optional. And questions about your vaccine status are mostly not allowed.

    Florida’s absence of COVID-19 rules can be jolting to those who have arrived from other places. In many states, kids still have to wear masks at school, restaurants ask to see your vaccine card and people are actually respectful of your COVID-19 choices.

    But the rules are different here. Here are some of the ways Florida’s COVID way of life contrasts with other states.”
    SUN SENTINEL, Welcome to Florida. The COVID rules are different here., By Lois K. Solomon, 12/3/21.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/welcome-to-florida-the-covid-rules-are-different-here/ar-AARowHs
     
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  17. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    You can exercise your personal freedom and wear whatever mask that you recommend to others, of course, but most Americans distinguish between the medical expertise of hyper-partisan ideologues and the media entertainers they parrot, and the consensus of public health professionals, epidemiologists, and virologists who know what they are talking about.

    You can even whine that the government assaults your "personal freedom" by making you drive on the right side of public roadways, also in the interest of public safety. Nevertheless, it is sensible to do so. You
    may also want to proclaim your personal prerogatives by mincing around bare-assed at your local Chuck E Cheese on your birthday, but your whim is circumscribed by the public's wish that you do not thusly pleasure yourself at their expense.

    The crackpot infection rate of the GOP, after its infusion of white supremacists and other goons who attack Congress, is increasing:


    Inside the growing alliance between anti-vaccine activists and pro-Trump Republicans

    In October, a conference filled with anti-vaccine activists in Nashville, Tenn., received a high-profile political guest: Trump's son Eric

    The day before Trump's speech, a homeopathic doctor named Edward Group stood on the same stage and suggested to the audience they should drink their urine as an alternative to getting vaccinated against COVID-19. Another speaker, Carrie Madej, said the vaccines contained microscopic technology designed to put "another kind of nervous system inside you." The true purpose of the vaccines, she claimed, was to turn humans into cyborgs…

    Del Bigtree [is] a well-known anti-vaccine activist. Even before COVID-19, he wrote and produced a documentary that falsely claimed childhood vaccines were linked to autism

    [A]s the pandemic has dragged on, his conservative audience keeps growing. Often he speaks at conferences alongside people who claim the election was rigged and promoters of QAnon conspiracy theories…

    Bigtree falsely claims that the COVID-19 vaccines are killing people and represent an existential threat to humanity… It's the synergy between real politics and imagined dangers that is bringing the pro-Trump movement and anti-vaccine activists together.

    [T]he result of this union increasingly appears to be an even higher death toll from COVID-19, in part because it's causing many people to resist getting the shot. "We find a huge correlation between belief in misinformation and being unvaccinated," says Liz Hamel, who heads public opinion research with the Kaiser Family Foundation, a nonpartisan health care think tank…

    Between conservative media and GOP politicians, many Republican voters are being pummeled with bad science about vaccines almost daily. Kaiser's polling found that 94% of Republicans think one or more false statements about COVID-19 and vaccine safety might be true.

    Over the past eight months, Hamel has watched as Republican vaccination rates have fallen further and further behind the rest of America…

    Republicans are probably dying at a higher rate as a result. A nationwide comparison of 2020 presidential election results and COVID-19 death rates since vaccines became available for all adults, found that counties that voted heavily for Trump had nearly three times the COVID-19 mortality rate of those that went for Joe Biden. Those counties also had far lower vaccination rates.

    [F]or many Republicans who are concerned about public health, the willingness to parlay a lifesaving vaccine into political capital is disturbing.

    "They just care about winning," says Annette Meeks, a lifelong Republican who heads the Freedom Foundation of Minnesota conservative think tank. "It's the worst element in American politics today."

    Meeks has seen the data on vaccines, and she's watched people she knows get sick. "To see people reject those vaccines based on pseudoscience or worse — lies — and to see lives lost is a tragedy beyond words," Meeks says.

    In addition to the moral failings, Meeks says embracing the anti-vaccine movement carries huge political risks for the GOP. That's because elections in states like Minnesota are won and lost in the suburbs. And those suburban voters tend to be vaccinated.

    "I believe that the long-term consequences for the Republican Party will be a lot of those independent suburban voters will look askance at us and say, 'What is this all about? I got vaccinated, my whole family got vaccinated, and we're just fine.' “..

    Del Bigtree says he's seeing more people at speaking engagements and getting millions of visitors to his website each week.

    "We are growing in size, in numbers, in confidence and in finances," he says. And for now, his audience is clear: conservative America.


    https://www.npr.org/2021/12/06/1057...ivists-political-conference-trump-republicans



     
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  18. ToughTalk

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    So basically...you are refusing to do your part by wearing a mask designed for people with autoimmune deficiencies and which would absolutely prevent both your spreading the virus through coughing or sneezing or getting the virus?

    Got it.

    Ya I know...they are ridiculous looking. But since you refuse to do everything in your power to stop the spread. I can now disregard any of the hyperbole you want to suggest other people do that they are not comfortable with!

    Thanks for playing.
     
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    Translation: Despite all Obamacare's promises, rural healthcare still sucks.....Orange Man Bad.
     
  20. Natty Bumpo

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    Protecting the public from contagious diseases by vaccination is an American tradition whose efficacy is well established, validated by the Supreme Court:

    The crackpots who have been wee wee'd up to mewl about public health measures need to be educated, but their emotional derangement may not be amenable to reason.

    Anti-vaccination fanatics spread their fake propaganda, and hapless dupes mindlessly inject it.

    Nothing new.


    From 1898 to 1903, the disease was smallpox. News articles and health board reports describe crowds of parents marching to schoolhouses to demand that their unvaccinated children be allowed in... with some even burning their own arms with nitric acid to mimic the characteristic scar left by the smallpox vaccine.
    If it all sounds familiar, well, there is nothing new under the sun, especially those who spread darkness.

    As the coronavirus overwhelms hospitals across the South and more than 650,000 Americans — an increasing number of them children — lie dead, the same pattern is emerging.

    The roots of U.S. vaccine mandates predate both the U.S. and vaccines. The colonies sought to prevent disease outbreaks by, in the case of smallpox, requiring inoculations...

    In January 1777, George Washington mandated inoculations for the soldiers under his command in the Continental Army...

    Legally speaking, the Supreme Court resolved the issue of mandatory vaccinations in 1905, ruling 7-2 in Jacobson v. Massachusetts that they were constitutional.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/vaccine-mandates-history.html

    Fortunately, the crazy folks who raged against smallpox vaccinations were thwarted. Smallpox was eradicated by a massive vaccination program, starting in 1967. I The last naturally occurring case of smallpox was reported in 1977. In 1980, the World Health Organization declared that smallpox had been eradicated.

    Polio provides another such paradigm.

     
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  21. Natty Bumpo

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    If that is your opinion, I see no reason why you need to defer to most Americans who have a positive view of 'ObamaCare' and dumped the Trump because he proved incompetent.
     
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    Ya I got it. You are unwilling to wear a superior mask that is designed to keep those around you safe.

    The rest of your post is junk because you will not stand behind your own ideals.

    Makes you just as bad as a non vac'r, sorry.
     
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    Persist in your desperate atempts at diversion.

    It only confirms that you are impotent in opposing medical science and our government's responsibility to protect the public against crackpots by Supreme Court-validated means.

    You may wish to extend your irrational shtick to other mandatory vaccination programmes:

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  24. ToughTalk

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    Science tells me this

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    is more effective than this;

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    If you are not wearing the first mask I posted, you sir are part of the problem.

    Nothing you say beyond this fact is worth anything. You are a hypocrit.

    Sorry
     
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    It is irrational indeed, because the same people who rave against the vaccine today, are the same people who hailed the upcoming (warp-speeded) vaccine last year. It all depends on who is in the White House.
     

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