Interesting Video about black iraqi arabs. The rest of Iraqis are white.

White isn't a race. You can't say your White-Iraqi as if your part Iraqi, part White because there is no "white race". There's a spectrum of pigmentation, and people slide from one to the next. White is a condition, not a race.

 

Where did the Israeli's come from, by the way? I know that they eventually settled into the Levant after killing off the Canaanites, supposedly, and being expelled out of Egypt. But where did they come from before they came to Egypt and the land of Canaan.

 

They were Apiru or Habiru.. Unaffiliated, landless tribes of Canaanites..

 

I've heard that some archeologists were making a claim that the Habiru were the Hebrews, but it's inconclusive. I've heard they also sugested a number of wanderer tribes known to the Egyptians as possibly linked to ancient Hebrews.

Also heard that there were African Hebrews far down the Nile who lived and practiced an older form of the Hebrew faith not seen for quite some time. But it's hard to say whether it originated there or was brought there...

 

We came from mesopotamia (iraq) originally.

 

There are also black palestinian arabs. It doesn't surprise me that you haven't seen the iraqi black arabs because they are very few in number compared to white arabs.

I have never been to Iraq, even though it is my homeland. I have been to Israel several times which is also my homeland. My dad is Israeli with roots in baghdad, kurdistan, and jerusalem. I want to visit Iraq, but its too dangerous, especially for jews. Thats why we left for Israel in the first place, because some arabs (not all) were responsible for the farhud. Under Saddam it was horrible. Now its just as bad with ISIS, if not worse in some ways. Its hard to say which period is worse. Iraq was far better place to live in the 20s.

But then again, America isn't the safest country either and has its own dark history of racism against blacks, jews, etc. Even the post 9/11 treatment and stereotyping of arabs, muslims, and other middle easterners and indians/pakistanis is appalling.

 

I don't mean that I am mixed. I actually mean that my Iraqi hertiage is white, meaning iraqis are a subset of caucasoid, mainly assyriod, arabid, anatolid, or armenoid.. Our skin is not literally white, but neither are scandinavians. Only albinos have close to white skin speaking in literal terms. I am just going by the US census and the Iraqi attitude about whiteness, iraqis define themselves as white in Iraq, unless of course they are in america and are americanized and want to feel like a racial minority, then they adopt 'non-white' status, disregarding the us census in favor of societal norms. As I said, rednecks would never view us a white, even though we are according to the law of their own land, and progressives want to view us as 'oppressed brown people' to further their own political agenda. There is a lot at stake here for progressives in adopting this strategy, but that's an entirely different subject.

 

It doesn't sound very convincing. It is more likely that the paler races to the north are descendants from the Middle Easterners rather than the other way around. Cultural diffusion along that vast time would likely account for the peoples of the Middle East having been in contact with a variety of peoples from all over. Racial identity with colors...that sounds like a fairly modern concept to me.

 

Yes iknow what you believe and idisagree, thats different to discovering something though. Youre a nice man, a good heart maybe, im not going to get into a dialogue bout this as it is of no benefit at the moment to try and prove you wrong.

 

Technically its wrong to use the term Israeli's when discussing biblical times. If you mean where did the Israelites come from before they entered AEgypt then its stated they came from, to use the modern term, Iraq. Interesting no?

 

Yeah, but from where? Did they come up from the south...or from the west? It doesn't seem likely that they came from the east, then came back out again because the land of Canaan was supposedly a new land and when they did get expelled to the east (at least, this is the Bibles handle on it...) they were often lost in the wilderness.

So...I always wondered because Hebrews were a pretty old civilization and if they came from the south, there's seems to a definite possibility that the Hebrew faith is African in origin. That's kinda cool because the affinities between the Hebrew religion and the Egyptian religions are well known- almost identical in some respects.

 

funnily enough it appears that Basra is very close to where the 'Israelites' came from, or rather Abraham. In the South of Iraq, Chaldean country.

 

Thank you

 

Its hard to say. Some believe that iraqi jews share the most in common racially with northern middle easterners, like the kurds, iranians, azeris, its just that we adopted a semitic culture and language, not an indo-european one.

Others believe that the Yemenite Jews who are more mixed with black african in many cases are the original phenotype, they have the oldest most authentic pronunciation of hebrew. So there is some merit to the case that the Israelites came from the south originally, and not the north.

Teimanim are usually much more black than Mizrahim. A lot of westerners think yemenites (teimanim) are mizrahi jews, but they are not, they have a very different culture, music, its much more south arabian+hebrew, and they look much different from mizrahi jews on average. Put the average teimani rabbi next to a rabbi from djerba, and the one from djerba is much whiter in color. The contrast is astounding. Teimani hebrew have very similar vowels to the ashkenazi jews, which may mean that ashkenazi jews kept they correct pronunciation of the vowels. Both teimani and ashkenazi jews say 'baruch atah ad(h)onoi" rather than adonai, which is the mizrahi and sefaradi pronunciation. Its possible though these could just be variations due to northern israelite and southern judean dialect. But its interesting that yemenites say 'oi', a lot of people think 'oi' pronunciation is a yiddish/germanic thing, but its not, since yemenites say it that way too.

 

These kids play in their refugee camp, Al-Zaatri.


A Syrian refugee girl hiding with other children during bombardment.



The J2 accounted for 20.8% of Syrians, and E1B1B 12.0%, I 5.0%, R1a 10.0% and R1b 15.0%, respectively. The first photo shows Syrian refugees of African descent (E1B1B) and the girl in the second photo has Nordic characteristics (I), while the third photo captures a girl with Hispanic characteristics (R1a or R1b). Most Britons descended from R1a or R1b farmers from Syria and Iraq who colonised Europe around 8,000 BC.

 

Iranian kid. Not the norm, but its not as rare as we are led to believe. Plenty of kurds, iranians, and middle eastern jews have these features.



Mohammad Ali-Ramin (Iran)

 

Most Iraqis don't look "white".

Caucasian, yes. But not white.

 

Iraqis don't look 'swiss' but we are white according to the us census. And in the video, even white/caucasian iraqi arabs living in iraq view themselves as white and they are viewed by black iraqi arabs as white people. Not all white people look northern european, thats a stereotype that arose, although I will admit that I don't know the exact origins of it in America. Even by physical anthroplogy standards, mesopotamians are white people, unless of course they are biracial, being heavily mixed with black african.

Today, physical anthropology isn't viewed as politically correct by the mainstream because it has been largely forgotten and some of its earlier proponents were racist, thats another reason, but darwinism is taken as gospel when it was equally rooted in racism against black people, which is odd. And I believe in evolution on a certain scale. Both sciences arose around the same time. It has to do with skull shape mostly. There was extensive research done on the study of 'races' in the 19th century.

Although Indians and other south asians are technically caucasoid, they have their own grouping in the US census, usually under 'asian' non-white, because southern indians skin color can actually be closer to black than some african americans' skin tone.

There are recent attempts to classify middle easterners in their own category, but this isn't scientific, its political. Still, as of late, middle easterners are indeed included in the 'white/caucasian' check box. We are simply too close too the populations of the caucasus in terms of genetics, physical features, etc. to be viewed as a separate race.

True caucasians are most definitely still included in the 'white' category on the census, georgians, armenians, azeris, etc. This is because it is with these groups that the 'white/caucasian' racial designation came about in the first place. The traditional white person had olive skin, typically dark hair, and originated in the caucasian countries. With the rise of nordicism and nazism, things changed. Only then did the archetype for whiteness shift to northern and central europeans, although southern europeans have never been excluded ever in the history of the term.

One idea I have would be to drop the term 'white' from the census entirely to avoid confusion. There are simply too many phenotypes among the caucasoid subraces. People should instead just fill in their nationality/ethnicity or whatever designation they choose.

Perhaps 'white' should be phased out of our society. Too often identity politics are involved, this varies from country to country.

 

Girls play at a UNICEF-supported Child Friendly Space in the Domiz refugee camp, Iraq.

The Iraqis are mixed-race people and around 17% of the Iraqi people are closely related to Africans (U6, L1, L2, E), while up to 19% of the population are genetically akin to Europeans (V, U5, I, R1a). Among the four Iraqi girls in the photo, only one girl can be considered white and some Iraqis can be classified as West Asians (M, B).

 

That 1/5 of Iraqis are closely related to africans doesn't surprise me. Some iraqi arabs look like they have african admixture, clearly. However, when I say Iraqi, I don't mean just the arabs, but also the kurds and assyrians who are clearly caucasian. Caucasian is synonymous with white. Again, no group, not even the central and northern europeans are literally 'white' in terms of skin color, but more pinkish. Still, out of convenience, white is agreed to be a synonym for caucasian by the us census. As for public perceptions, thats an entirely different matter, it has to do with many factors, identity politics being a major one.

As to the girls in that pic, they are all white, just not european. They look the same as many true caucasians. Only by nordic or 'aryan' standards do they not meet the criteria for white. Most Jews are that color, as are most europeans, caucasians, and other north africans and middle easterners. South Indians and Veddoid people are a much better example of caucasoids who are not close to white in terms of skin color or status (caste system in India)

Those girls in the pic are olive skinned, live in a hot climate, so they tan year round to a very dark complexion sometimes. But their race, social construct or not, is still white as defined by the census, and as defined by the iraqi people themselves, white or black. Its all relative. To swiss, they don't look typical white, but exotic. To afro-arabs, or black arabs, they are white.

Iraqi kurds are definitely white. Some just get really tan.

 

the US Census calls many non-white people "white".

a dark skinned Iraqi is not white.

 

The frequency of Haplogroup R reaches 20% in the Kalash population and the most prevalent mtDNA Haplogroup is U4 (34%), which is found in Europe with highest concentrations in Scandinavia and the Baltic states. White Europeans are thought to have originated in the Afghanistan/Pakistan region and genetic evidence suggests that ancient European hunting-gatherers migrated to northern Europe via Siberia as U4 is also found in the indigenous Siberian populations. The Kalash people split from other Asian populations with the A111T mutation around 50,000 years ago and their lighter-skinned traits were inherited by modern-day Caucasians.


Kalash people in Pakistan. High in the mountains of Pakistan on the border with Afghanistan, in the province of Nuristan live mysterious people Kalash.

 

I don't give a damn what the idiots at the Census say, THESE peope are NOT white!!!!!

 

The US census doesn't call non-white people white. Indians are grouped with Asians. The white category just means anyone with origins in europe, the middle east, or north africa.

Dark skinned iraqis are white, we are just tanned, we have more melanin to tan very dark. Believe me, even in Iraq, as seen in the video, black arabs view the majority of iraqis, whether they be arab, kurdish, assyrian, or jewish as white.

We meet all of the criteria for white in the census. And as I said, according to physical anthroplogy, middle easterners like iraqis and iranians are the very definition of white/caucasian. The terms are synonymous in the racial context. Not all whites are northern european.

 

Well, you just said it yourself, you don't give a damn what the census says. They are not white in your world view, but that is not how iraqis view themselves, and its not how the census views us, and its not how scientific phyiscal anthropology views us.

Those people are very tanned from living in a very hot climate all their lives. I get that tan when I am in the sun. Thats what tanning is. Middle eastern people, we have a high propensity for tanning. Its in our genes.