Interesting Video about black iraqi arabs. The rest of Iraqis are white.

lol!!!

no they are not.

if some dark skinned Iraqi comes to the USA and claims to be white, he will be laughed at!!!!!

 

These people are white????????

lol!!!!













maybe they are white people in their dreams!!!!

 

and no, they aren't dark simply because of the sun.

lots of white people live in southern California, Mexico, Florida, Central America and still maintain their white appearance.

these people in Iraq are dark because its in their genes.

which is why they are NOT white people.

 

Thats because americans are ignorant of their own census, the definition of white, etc.

Ariel Sharon himself tanned very well, because he was of middle eastern descent, he is the same exact color sefaradi jews even when he isn't tan. He is obviously brown skinned here.



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Yes, we are white people, and yes we get that dark due to tanning. Our genes allow us to tan very well, much darker than the average person of northern european descent. For someone who says they believe in science, you really need to look up the definition of white/caucasian. You are relying on your own biased viewpoint which goes against physical anthropology. You are allowing your emotions to take over. This discussion is about science and the us census, in other words, cold hard facts, not your personal opinions.

 

An ashkenazi jew, tanned. Looks black.

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Genetic Plot. As one can see, the ashkenazi jews in this plot have the same genes as iraqi jews, sefaradi jews, etc. Thats why so many ashkenazim tan almost black. They have the melanin for it.

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Haplogroup E1b1b represents the recent major direct migration from Africa into Europe.



Haplogrpup E is the most common Y-DNA haplogroup in Africa and its frequency reaches 35% in Greece and 44% among Kosovar Albanians. It spread to Europe in the Aegean Bronze Age and until the Slavic arrivals in the Balkans, most ancient Greeks were of North African descent. The sub-Saharan African admixture rate in the modern Greek population (35%) is twice higher than that of the Iraqis (17%) but the Greeks were traditionally considered white because their cultural affinity with Europe.

 

Its absurd when non-white people are desperate to be considered white.

Absurd and a bit comical.

No, dark skinned Iraqi man in the photos, you iz not white.

 

Staring into the camera, the girl's striking blue eyes are full of unshed tears. And she isn't alone. The girl in the polka dot headscarf and her family are just some of the thousands of people who have crossed the border into Iraq in a bid to escape the slaughter in Syria.
Although the raging civil war has cost her family their home, the girl is luckier than most. An ethnic Kurd, she has managed to escape the fighting that has taken the lives of thousands of her compatriots as well as the bouts of ethnic violence that have taken the lives of Kurds in Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran over the last century. How she and other Kurdish refugees are the subject of a series of stunning photographs by French snapper Eric Lafforgue who travelled to Iraq last month to meet them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2462971/Haunting-portraits-Kurdish-refugees-offer-striking-insight-lives-refugees-forced-Syrian-homes-civil-war.html

 

I already addressed this position in my first post in my thread. Nobody is 'trying' to be white, we are white. Whats absurd is how you continue to ignore the us census and the very definition of white, and the fact that non-black iraqis identify as white and are identified as white also by black iraqis.

Since when is 'white' limited to people of northern european descent? The main body of people who believe that are nordicists or those who are just uninformed. This position on 'whiteness' is based in reality. Its based on preconceived ideas and false data. Its not scientific and its not even correct according to the dictionary or the census. The idea that all of the iraqis in the video, black and white, are 'lying' or 'delusional' for the sake of 'wanting to be white' is a racist implication and entirely false.

 

The kurds are the antithesis of the american racial stereotype of middle easterners.

 

It is interesting though if only northern europeans were white, we would have a HUGE biracial population in the states. That would mean nearly all american jews would be non-white, or at the very least biracial, and that someone who is half german-irish half italian would be biracial. Thats a whole lot of biracial americans, if we went by that paradigm. There would be more multi-racial / biracial americans than not. It would also mean that the vast majority of americans would not be white. I wonder how that would play out in politics and identity politics in general.

 

Northern, Western, and many Southern Europeans are white.

Some folks in the Middle East and North Africa are white too.

But most folks in the Middle East and North Africa are dark skinned Caucasian, not white.

white people are called "white", because of the color of their skin.

 

Not true.

White Americans are people of the United States who are considered or consider themselves White. The United States Census Bureau defines White people as those "having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicated their race(s) as "White" or reported entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Arab, Moroccan, or Caucasian"[4] and so is a wider group than European American.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American

Although the term 'caucasian' can hold several different meanings and these meanings are not always synonymous, the two have been historically grouped together and are officially interchangeable.

It has to do mostly with skull shape; although race is indeed partially a social construct, it is also a science in forensic anthropology. Even the FBI uses the term 'caucasian' to refer to the common skull shape found among caucasoids, which differs significantly enough from mongoloids and negroids to form its own category. In physical anthropology, there are sub-races of the broader, more general white race. White is used for convenience as is caucasian, skin color can range anywhere from white with pink undertones to white with olive undertones. Sun tanning is a factor that can confuse people. Iranians and Iraqis for instance have white skin with olive undertones when their skin is not tanned. However, looking past the tan line, the skin tans to an extremely dark brown in many cases, sometimes looking as dark as the skin of other races.

Iraqis and Iranians for instance are white caucasoids, but belong to different sub-races than most white americans. Most white americans would be classified as alpine, nordic, baltid, sometimes mediterranean, many times a combination of these. However Iraqi and Iranians can have armenoid, anatolid, or irano-afghan and arabid features. This is what makes mesopotamian peoples stand out from other fellow white caucasians. Our facial shape is different, and usually our skin is slightly darker naturally, in addition to having constant sun exposure in a climate with very very hot temperatures.

Mohammad Khatami for instance is an example of a white person of iranian heritage. This is undeniable. Not because of skin color (even though, untanned, he is white) but rather because of skull shape. He is armenoid, most anthropologists agree on this, but that's an area for specialists. His facial features look different than other white americans, except for jews, because most jews with middle eastern ancestry, regardless of religious denomination (ashkenaz or sefarad) have armenoid traits and are classified as such according to physical anthropologists. Others are sometimes anatolid (east med+armenoid), pontid, or irano afghan. Mixed jews who have recent european ancestry may be more alpine or baltid in facial structure.

Mohammad Khatami, former president of Iran. I guarantee you if he was out in the sun more, he would tan to a typical dark brown, but naturally he is white with some pink and olive undertones.(Some regions of Iran are not nearly as hot as southern Iraq as well, resulting in less dark of a tan) Either way he is white/caucasian according to the us census and physical anthropology, meaning he is not negroid, veddoid (east indian), or mongoloid.



Here is a pic of him when he was younger for anyone who is interested.

 

Sefaradi Jews from Syria (a good display of varying phenotypes, but all are white/caucasian obviously)



They look like most american jewish kids I have seen, except for some hassidic kids who can have high rates of blondism, and I'm talking almost bleach blond color. Thats not necessarily due to admixture either since kurds, afghans, lebanese can have hair that blonde, just on a smaller scale.

 

why would non-white people want to be considered white?

is it low self-esteem?

if you don't look white, you ain't white.

 

There was time in America when Jews, Italians and Greeks were not considered "white".

 

some Jews, Italians, and Greeks are not white.

it depends on what they look like.

 

No.. I mean really.. They were NOT considered white people circa 1880.

 

Jews were able to vote before 1880. That means they were considered white.

 

They were NOT considered white even if the could vote.

 

only white men were allowed to vote.

 

No we're not. Just one guy apparently...

 

you think dark skinned Arabs are white?

 

Dude, the iraqi arabs themselves aren't lying, they both admit to being white and black in the video. There is racism in Iraq and the the palestinian territories as well, as I said, there are black palestinian arabs but they are almost never shown in the western media.

Its the census and a middle eastern/african view on races against your own opinion. You have a right to feel anyway you want but to make fun of others who view themselves as white (because we are as proven by the census and physical anthropology) is just wrong. As I said in the original post, live and let live. You can't call a whole ethnicity or nation of people liars just because we don't meet up to your own made up standards for 'white'.

 

Margot2 is actually correct here, jews were not viewed as white in the early american days. They were grouped with arabs, italians, greeks, and other peoples that were darker skinned than other americans on average. This changed from time to time. Ironically in the beginning, sefaradi jews like Judah Benjamin, the brains behind the confederacy were considered white from colonial times to reconstruction. But after that there was a period where ashkenazi jews and other jews (from Syria, Bukhara, etc.) were viewed as non-white even in NYC. Even in the 30's many hotels and clubs would deny jews entry. The racial status of jews has always been complex in this country though.

Jews were definitely not viewed as white people in nazi occupied europe but were rather considered a brown 'mud' race.