Investigating the Jan 6 th Uprising.

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  1. Hoosier8

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    As usual, childish memes.
     
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    Jan 6 uprising? It was bad, but I'm guessing that you're not QUITE so interested in investigating the MONTHS LONG BLM/antifa uprising which resulted in COUNTLESS deaths as well as over TWO BILLION DOLLARS worth of TOTAL DESTRUCTION to innocent business owners, many of whom were black!
     
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    Pelosi acted in good faith and within her rights. McCarthy and McConnell took steps to make sure that the bi partisan committee which was passed in congress was not empaneled. Now their whining about how this turned out rings hollow. I look forward to seeing Trump, Guiiani, Jordan, Taylor Greene and others hauled before this committee and grilled for hours regarding their roes in this insurrection.
     
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    I would support any congressional investigation into other violence that occurred here in America as the result of the Floyd video. If congress passes a bill to create such a commission, so be it. That is within their scope. However the committee empaneled to investigate the events before, during and after the debacle on January 6, 2021 are the issue at hand. The two issues are unrelated.
     
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    So why do you suppose Democrats chose to not investigate the riots from last year?
     
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    Isn't it a little strange how we condemn Russia for its actions towards Navalny, even though he was on foreign payrolls and held illegal protests in main thoroughfares with paid underaged kids. Yet at the same time, a protest by unarmed Trump supporters is being labelled a riot and insurrection, and is considered a major crime?



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    In the meantime none of the Trump protesters were armed, and were invited into the Capital building by the police when they removed the barracks. Yet at the same time, the anarchists and those who destroyed billions of dollars of property, have been let off scot free. If people can't see what is happening to our country, then woe to us. Huff post by the way, is a George Soros publication.

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    Jul 19Today, Paul Hodgkins will be the first 1/6 defendant sentenced on a felony guilty plea. He engaged no violence. His crime: entered the Capitol wearing a Trump t-shirt, held a Trump flag, took a selfie with Q Shaman. Prosecutors want 18 months in prison:



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    Man Faces 1st Sentencing For Felony In Riot At U.S. Capitol
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    You have believed a lie.

    VIOLATIONS:
    18 U.S.C. §§ 1512(c)(2), 2 (Obstruction of an Official Proceeding)
    18 U.S.C. § 1752(a)(l) (Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds)
    18 U.S.C. § 1752(a)(2) (Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds)
    40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(2)(D) (Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building)
    40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(2)(G) (Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building)

    COUNT ONE On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia and elsewhere, PAUL ALLARD HODGKINS attempted to, and did, corruptly obstruct, influence, and impede an official proceeding, that is, a proceeding before Congress, by entering and remaining in the United States Capitol without authority and committing an act of civil disorder, and engaging in disorderly and disruptive conduct. (Obstruction of an Official Proceeding and Aiding and Abetting, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections I 512(c)(2) and 2) INDICTMENT Case 1:21-cr-00188-RDM Document 11 Filed 03/05/21 Page 1 of 3

    COUNT TWO On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, PAUL ALLARD HODGKINS did unlawfully and knowingly enter and remain in a restricted building and grounds, that is, any posted, cordoned-off, and otherwise restricted area within the United States Capitol and its grounds, where the Vice President and Vice President-elect were temporarily visiting, without lawful authority to do so. (Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section l 752(a)( l ))

    COUNT THREE On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, PAUL ALLARD HODGKINS did knowingly, and with intent to impede and disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business and official functions, engage in disorderly and disruptive conduct in and within such proximity to, a restricted building and grounds, that is, any posted, cordoned-off, and otherwise restricted area within the United States Capitol and its grounds, where the Vice President and Vice President-elect were temporarily visiting, when and so that such conduct did in fact impede and disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business and official functions. (Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section l 752(a)(2))

    COUNT FOUR On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, PAUL ALLARD HODGKINS willfully and knowingly engaged in disorderly and disruptive conduct in any of the Capitol Buildings with the intent to impede, disrupt, and disturb the orderly conduct of a session 2 Case 1:21-cr-00188-RDM Document 11 Filed 03/05/21 Page 2 of 3 of Congress and either House of Congress, and the orderly conduct in that building of a hearing before or any deliberation of, a committee of Congress or either House of Congress. (Disorderly Conduct in a Capitol Building, in violation of Title 40, United States Code, Section 5 l04(e)(2)(D))

    COUNT FIVE On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, PAUL ALLARD HODGKINS willfully and knowingly paraded, demonstrated, and picketed in any United States Capitol Building. (Parading, Demonstrating, or Picketing in a Capitol Building, in violation of Title 40, United States Code, Section 5 I 04(e)(2)(G)) A TRUE BILL

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1377756/download
     
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    I'm confused. Wasn't there some talk about somebody requesting LEO enforcements but it was denied? IF that person was Trump, doesn't that prove that he expected it to get out of hand?

    Also, if Trump gave a "stand down" order, it could only mean that he not only anticipated the riot, but WANTED it to escalate. HIs supporters are downplaying this as "simple trespassing". His complicity would be quite the blow.

    Further, it doesn't seem like Trump is going to be charged with anything concerning the riots so what good does it to keep going over it?
     
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    You realize of course, that people saw the videos of the Antifa leader John Sullivan telling the police to remove the barracks so the protesters could enter the building. They also saw him smashing furniture.

    One has to wonder what Sullivan and his accomplices sentences are, as well as the sentence of the plains clothes officer who shot the innocent protester?

    The means used by those who want to bring about a liberal one world government under their auspices, is very similar to the events that led up to the Russian revolution. I would pay special heed to what's going on.


     
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    I don't know. Initially I said there is no need for another investigation, but now the pro-Trumpers have me wondering if Trump did in fact know exactly what was going to happen. Why else would he mention the need for National Guard days before the attack, and yet refuse to order them to deploy.

    I think they need to dig a little bit more, and if Nancy was involved in the planning too, then that also needs to be investigated.
     
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    Pure BS.
     
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    In other words he was protesting, and entered the building after the police removed the barracks to let them pass - but even worse, he was carry a Trump flag.

    H O R R O R S! The guillotine for him.

    I saw the video of the Antifa leader John Sullivan not only parading around, but leading people into the building with a knife in his hand - as well as smashing things in the Capital building. So what is his sentence?

    Also what is the sentence of the officer that came out with a gun and shot Ashley and then disappeared. Strange how he shot an innocent Trump supporter who was stepping through the broken glass, and not those who had broken the glass? Did he have a phone, and was he told who to shoot? I think so!
     
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    People can read the charges for themselves. None of the charges mention a Trump flag, but I know its commonly mentioned play the persecution / victim card. As for your claims about the police, that's just pure nonsense.

    People who try to downplay the attack by saying it was just a protest, are very likely to repeat it in the future.

    Its coming. He faces not 5 but 8 charges, including a weapons charge. He might receive a long sentence.

    No charge, since he was only doing his job.
     
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    I remember when several of us were posting in the thread about the NG - wondering how much he knew and when he knew it. I think it's fair to say that he won't be on the hot seat for it regardless of what comes out in the "official" report. That window of opportunity passed when he Biden was inaugurated.

    Personally, if it came to that conclusion, I would just be satisfied if some Trump supporters finally see just how evil and unpatriotic he is. I get backing your party or even their candidate but full blown blinders are painful to witness.
     
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    It could happen again with the pure incompetence of security at the Capitol. Pelosi knows she is ultimately responsible for the incompetent leadership. Of course there will be no investigation into that.
     
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    Blame the police when everything else fails. Police baaaaaaaad. Rioters goooooood.
     
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    You explain the security failure. The refusal of help when intelligence was know as far as three weeks before?

    Grandmas breached the building. I suspect you think it’s normal.
     
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    Why do you continue to lie about Pelosi's responsibility for the Capitol Police?
     
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    She is ultimately responsible for the Capitol police leadership or do you think they just self appoint?
     
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    No...the Capitol Police Board hires the head of the Capitol Police...I've told you this several times.
     
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    LOL. Who appoints the board?
     
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    The Board is elected. The House elects their Sergeant-at-Arms. The Senate elects their Sergeant-at-Arms. The President appoints the Architect of the Capitol, with the consent of the Senate. Trump appointed the current Capitol Architect.
     
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    Yet still the speaker is the top of responsibility.
     
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    No...why do you think so? Are you aware that the Senate and the House are in the same building? The Capitol.
     

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