Iran sends troops to Syria

I'll tell you what would stop all this war madness.

If leaders fought like they did before at the head of the army.

The leader the ruler the king the president on the horse at the front of the troops!!

How many of these world leaders would ever be in the front line of ANY BATTLE!!!!!!!!!

You cant even get near them in the streets outside their own parliaments for their paid body guards the cowards!!!!!!!

NO they prefer to sit at home watching it on TV screens as you die and your brothers die!!!!!!

 

Are you saying that if these people knew they wouldn't get shot, imprisoned, tortured, killed for denouncing the regime, they would not protest against Assad. In fact, isn't it telling that people are willing to take to the street against Assad despite those risks.

Think about it.

If I knew there was a chance of getting shot by the regime for my political views, I would never take to the streets unless I was willing to die for the cause. It is not safe to demonstrate against the government in Syria, neither is it safe to do so in Iran, neither was it safe to do so in Egypt, but you did it because you were fed up... you wanted democracy right? So what happens when a few hundred people, or a few thousand people get killed... well maybe you lose your nerve... maybe this revolution thing is a bit too scary and its best to just comply.

I agree with you on a lot of points by the way.

 

He looks like a prick.

 

Ghosts of Syria

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/31/ghosts-syria-regime-shabiha-militias?newsfeed=true

It may be more complicated than blaming Saudi Arabia, the US and Israel.

 

[video=youtube;f7NsXFnzJGw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7NsXFnzJGw&feature=related[/video]

The US/UK/Israeli/Saudis have been, since before 1953, involved in turning the "Middle East" into enemies of America.

And they have to keep their psychological confusion programers & propagandists going full time so that the peasants don't wake up. Some of them posted here.

First they blame everything on the "bad guy", then they hide all that they are doing to create a problem, then they blab about democracy, democracy bla bla bla, then they offer a very bloody "solution" that only creates more problems that require more "democracy".

They did this in Yugoslavia where they sent in assassins to kill off the moderates and blame the deaths on opposing sides so as to divide the country, and of course blame the established government.

More recently they did in in Lybia, and now in Syria.

You can't convince the folks from the synogog of Satan, so don't try.

 

'IMAGINE'

Imagine for a moment that somewhere in the middle of Texas there was a large foreign military base, say Chinese or Russian. Imagine that thousands of armed foreign troops were constantly patrolling American streets in military vehicles. Imagine they were here under the auspices of "keeping us safe" or "promoting democracy" or "protecting their strategic interests."

Imagine that they operated outside of US law, and that the Constitution did not apply to them. Imagine that every now and then they made mistakes or acted on bad information and accidentally killed or terrorized innocent Americans, including women and children, most of the time with little to no repercussions or consequences. Imagine that they set up checkpoints on our soil and routinely searched and ransacked entire neighborhoods of homes. Imagine if Americans were fearful of these foreign troops, and overwhelmingly thought America would be better off without their presence.

Imagine if some Americans were so angry about them being in Texas that they actually joined together to fight them off, in defense of our soil and sovereignty, because leadership in government refused or were unable to do so. Imagine that those Americans were labeled terrorists or insurgents for their defensive actions, and routinely killed, or captured and tortured by the foreign troops on our land. Imagine that the occupiers' attitude was that if they just killed enough Americans, the resistance would stop, but instead, for every American killed, ten more would take up arms against them, resulting in perpetual bloodshed. Imagine if most of the citizens of the foreign land also wanted these troops to return home. Imagine if they elected a leader who promised to bring them home and put an end to this horror.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY&feature=player_embedded#!

 

I got the copyright glitch sorted ; (thx)

"AMY GOODMAN: So, go through the countries again.

GEN. WESLEY CLARK: Well, starting with Iraq, then Syria and Lebanon, then Libya, then Somalia and Sudan, and back to Iran. So when you look at Iran, you say, “Is it a replay?” It’s not exactly a replay. But here’s the truth: that Iran, from the beginning, has seen that the presence of the United States in Iraq was a threat -- a blessing, because we took out Saddam Hussein and the Baathists. They couldn’t handle them. We took care of it for them. But also a threat, because they knew that they were next on the hit list. And so, of course, they got engaged. They lost a million people during the war with Iraq, and they’ve got a long and unprotectable, unsecurable border. So it was in their vital interest to be deeply involved inside Iraq. They tolerated our attacks on the Baathists. They were happy we captured Saddam Hussein.

But they're building up their own network of influence, and to cement it, they occasionally give some military assistance and training and advice, either directly or indirectly, to both the insurgents and to the militias. And in that sense, it's not exactly parallel, because there has been, I believe, continuous Iranian engagement, some of it legitimate, some of it illegitimate. I mean, you can hardly fault Iran because they're offering to do eye operations for Iraqis who need medical attention. That's not an offense that you can go to war over, perhaps. But it is an effort to gain influence.

And the administration has stubbornly refused to talk with Iran about their perception, in part because they don't want to pay the price with their domestic -- our US domestic political base, the rightwing base, but also because they don't want to legitimate a government that they've been trying to overthrow. If you were Iran, you'd probably believe that you were mostly already at war with the United States anyway, since we've asserted that their government needs regime change, and we've asked congress to appropriate $75 million to do it, and we are supporting terrorist groups, apparently, who are infiltrating and blowing up things inside Iraq -- Iran. And if we're not doing it, let's put it this way: we're probably cognizant of it and encouraging it. So it's not surprising that we're moving to a point of confrontation and crisis with Iran.

My point on this is not that the Iranians are good guys -- they're not -- but that you shouldn't use force, except as a last, last, last resort. There is a military option, but it's a bad one.


full transcript here :

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5166

ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING :


[video=youtube;6ARihMrxdjU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ARihMrxdjU[/video]

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Thx Margot - "The cause is hidden. The effect is visible to all." (Ovid)

 

614 A.D. In Palestine local fake Judahites allied with their Babylonian co-religionists assisted the Persians in their conquest of the Holy Land. 26,000 of them participated in the onslaught. In the aftermath of the Persian victory, the Talmudists perpetrated a massive slaughter of the Palestine Christian Israel people.

Most the churches and the monasteries, monks and priests, books were destroyed. The Church of the Nativity miraculously survived: when fake Jews commanded its destruction, the Persians balked. They perceived the Magi mosaic above the lintel as the portrait of Persian kings.

When Jerusalem surrendered to the Persians, thousands of local Christians became prisoners of war and were herded to the Mamilla Pool area. The Israeli archaeologist Ronny Reich writes:

They were probably sold to the highest bidder. According to some sources, the Christian captives at Mamilla Pond were bought by Jews and were then slain on the spot.

Mamilla Pool ran with blood’. The fake Jews massacred between 60,000 and 90,000 Palestinian Christian Israelites in Jerusalem alone.

A few days later, the Persian military understood the magnitude of the massacre and stopped the slaughtering.

In 610, the Talmudists of Antioch massacred Christians. The Jewish historian Graetz wrote:

They "fell upon their Christian neighbours and retaliated for the injuries which they had suffered; they killed all that fell into their hands, and threw their bodies into the fire" The Patriarch Anastasius, an object of special hate, was shamefully abused by them, and his body dragged through the streets before he was put to death".
They "disembowelled the great Patriarch Anastasius, forced him to eat his own intestines; they hurled his genitals into his face."

This is why in the treaty between the Jerusalemites and Caliph Omar ibn Khattab, concluded in year 638. In the Sulh al Quds, as this treaty of capitulation is called, Patriarch Sofronius demanded, and the powerful Arab ruler concurred to protect the people of Jerusalem from the ferocity of the Talmudists.

After the Arab conquest, a majority of Talmudists who called themselves Jews became Muslims and blended into the Palestine population.

When the burial cave adorned by a cross and the legend: ‘God alone knows their names’.
holding hundreds of sculls and bones from the masacre was discovered, the Israelis demolished the tomb and created an underground parking-lot in its place.
From THE BARNES REVIEW (NovDec 2001) pgs. 23-25

 

HUH ? excuse me John , the demonstration was PRO-ASSAD, in support of the present regime.


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I know...

 

Then it was my misread of yr response.

cheers.

 

Thks Ivan , historical facts like that are not popular and very annoying to our Pro-Israel friends who'd rather it be buried in the deepest point in Pacific Ocean.



cheers. I'll google later + see what else I can learn abt the Mamilla Pool. (wink)

 

There are no us troops in Iran or Syria. So your off topic.

 

If your point is that the U.S. should stop getting involved in the affairs of other countries, this American agrees with you. If I were in power, I'd bring all the troops home tomorrow. All of them. Everywhere. We apparently annointed ourselves as police force for the planet and we certaiinly aren't very good at it.

 

Assad isn't exactly a saint either.

As with most civil wars in the Middle East, it's bad guys vs. bad guys.

 

Its part of your governments strategy of mass control . As long as they can divert public attention away from Washington's shenanigans . the financial elite can continue in control - its also a uniting ploy preventing dissent / internal racial /ethnic regional conflicts and disintergration as happened in USSR .

The main advantage USA had over the USSR was that in USSR no one or very few , believed Kremlins propaganda while in USA most americans firmly believe America's propaganda while mesmerized , standing hand on heart , dozingly dreaming the american dream .

Will Americans ever wake up and realize how they're being screwed ?


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But can you assure us that there are no CIA agents ?


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He is on topic because the US aiding and abetting the attackers. There would be no problem if the US weren't helping Muslim cutthroats to plant bombs & assassinate Syrians.

And, because the US denies having "troops" in Syria, it is most likely that they have people in Syria to assist in the Muslim Reconquest of Syria as they did in Lybia & Yugoslavia.

 

Laughing at delusional Europeans

How clueless can you possibly get? Our government's shenanigans are subjected to intense media and individual coverage on a daily basis, and serve as the routine topics of discussion at Internet forums such as this one.

Maybe if you spent less time obsessing over Jews you'd notice what's obvious to everyone else around you...

 

Topics on internet forums are now regarded as scrutiny?

Maybe you are trying to be a Mod here, to shower this forum with such praise. But govermental coverage is for serious media.

 

Oh come on. I'm sure there is clandestine American activity going on. But NO problem? There would be NO problem without US involvement? So there's no issues with the Assad regime? There's no issues with sectarianism in Syria?

You give America too much credit... they're not perfect. They might try and encourage unrest, but that doesn't mean the unrest is solely down to them.

We need to be less black and white about this, it is surely not a black and white issue.

 

Well this is one way to stop a war. The USA won't start a humanitarian war now that our reputation with Russia is on the line. I doubt the Russians will let the USA take out two of its favorite countries on a favor.

 

Great point.

Considoring the Obama/Putin relationship is just as sour as the Bush/Putin version.

The failed attempt with the nuclear proliferation agreements only angered the russians more. When Obama refused to change the missle shield policies.

The Kremlin have scores to settle.

 

Yeah, its all grey, Syrians are "bad guys" and hence can do no right, and the proud arrogant USers can't do any wrong.

Fact is, whatever problems there were in Syria were solvable peacefully.

But when the US, Israeli, Saudis etc come in and arm, finance and direct people who hate the rest of Syria, the Muslim Brotherhood gurus, to go out and start the killings. We did it in Chechnia, Yugoslavia and Lybia, and we're doing it in Syria.

The US has a standard procedure:
1. Create a problem;
2. Make it worse;
3. Offer a "solution" that gives the super-rich everything they want.

And taking war to civilians is standard US military procedure. For example, during WW2 the US bombed the poorest most densely populated parts of cities with the most bombs.

Who is it that remains the most irritated by the destruction of the Muslim Brotherhood under President Hafez al Asaad?

It is the Israelis et al.

Why is that? Because the Muslim Brotherhood is their game, their weapon.