Iran Shot Down The Ukrainian Airliner

why would we give them any money......so they can build more missiles?

 

Iran did not invite Ukraine. Ukraine is there because the plane was being flown under its flag. Iran had no choice in this it is simple how plane crash investigations work.the country that the plane crashes in and the country who the plane flew under get to be there as secondary investigators.

 

An idiot could determined who fired the missile in less than three minutes.

1. How many aircraft, commercial and military, were in the area within 1 hour of the incident?

2. How many missile launcher vehicles were within the area at the time of the incident?

3. Which missile launcher vehicle shows evidence of having fired its missile and are all missiles accounted for?

4. If any vehicle is missing its missile then the crew assigned to the vehicle fired it at the airplane.

5. Execute the crew.

 

agree, i have seen people on both sides of the isle effected negatively by Trump, personalities changed in a negative way - course look at Trump, he is patient zero

 

If you win I will stop posting on the forum.

 

we do not have anymore of their money, that is the point, Trump can not use that as leverage now, he basically gave Iran the money without a deal now

 

Iran could have easily, under the current circumstances, denied Ukraine entry or access. It is not as a Ukrainian regime (which is basically a puppet of the US) has much sway in Iran or, if Iran had anything to hide, it would allow the even outwardly hostile Canadian government (which Iran has said can send investigators) to investigate the crash.

There is only one exception in my mind where Iran could have hit the aircraft with anti aircraft missiles and yet be as open in allowing outsiders to investigate the issue as it has been: Namely, if the arm of Iran's regime which controls these issues relating to the crash of the airliner, i.e. Iran's government under president Rouhani, is intentionally doing things that they imagine (wrongly) will embarrass Iran's revolutionary guards. Which is the only 'conspiracy theory' that I would even consider regarding this crash, namely that a government which was busy notifying foreign countries about Iran's impending missile attacks and which has seen its domestic base of support almost evaporate to zero (with all those who voted for Rouhani now preferring his rivals in the principalist camp), or perhaps anti-regime infiltrators working for the Rouhani administration but doing things for their own reason and purposes, orchestrated a situation where Iran's revolutionary guards wasn't properly notified of the Ukrainian flight and, consequently, had it shut down.

The fact is that other than Iran's foreign enemies, the only ones in Iran who in any way benefit from what happened with this crash are the anti-regime terrorist groups and, to a lesser extent, the Rouhani administration with the plethora of individuals working with it who have suspicious and/or corrupt foreign links. Otherwise, the Iranian leadership and the Iranian revolutionary guards have been and are trying to make sure the focus is more on the 'slap' they delivered against the US, the efforts to evict the US out of the region and such things. The crash, for them, has been an unwelcome diversion from what they want the focus to be on.

 

If he does win the election it will show that the millions of voters who voted for him need mental health care.

 

not the point. Why was money we had control of given to them anyway? For what?

 

Slow the first two seconds of this video down to .5 speed and that's all that needs to be said. Own it. Your supreme leader killed a bunch of innocents because he's a damn idiot.

 

Let's end all foreign aid right now. What's Trump waiting for?

 

But you have no ability to discern between right and wrong.

 

I live in America, obviously. That's why there's a picture of a revolutionary war flag next to my profile. I am one of the few remaining Americans who actually understands and appreciates what the American revolution was about. And Trump is just another big government liberal who supports gun control, universal healthcare, and gigantic budget deficits, though he and his supporters sure do love pretending otherwise.

 

Possibly a line item veto or you to understand that Congress sets the foreign aid expenditures.

 

The constitution hasn't stopped Trump before.

And if Trump were a real conservative, instead of a big government liberal, he'd just veto any bill that isn't fiscally conservative. If the congress overrides him, then so be it. But Trump isn't a conservative, so he just signs whatever gigantic bill the congress sends him. He doesn't even put up slight resistance. Just signs it and then brags about great he made America by signing massive budget deficits into law.

 

it was their money, we had no right to it, if we wanted to enter a deal in good faith, giving them back their money was appropriate

 

A forumite made a similar offer in 2016. He did not honor it-as was expected.

Said another way-you can't be trusted to hold up your end of the bargain.

 

Why did we have it and how did we come by it? I'm sure it all went to arming the terrorist state and their actions.

 

Yes, but it's easy to see right through and get the truth.

 

Maybe they bought the missile battery they shot down the passenger airliner with that money. Are you willing to tell all 174 families that?

 

There are things the rest of the world don't get with America.
People can have guns as if its a war zone (which it is sometimes)
There's a big issue with universal health care.
There's this strange "imperial measurement" system still operating.

 

Reading your comments, I can see how easy getting to the "truth" is for you Enjoy your fantasy land.

 

Let's figure this out, they won't let anyone see the black box, they bulldozed the crash site and there are large shrapnel holes in the fuselage? What are we supposed to believe?

 

It was probably the same sort of idiotic mistake that caused the US to shoot down an Iranian airliner in 1988.
Blame it on trump and his warmongering if you want a scapegoat.

 

You have already believed more than you should