Iran to break uranium stockpile limit set by nuclear deal, spokesman says

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  1. s002wjh

    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    look like withdraw the deal and max pressure didn't work. even Fox admit it. now I wonder we gonna have another middle east war that could last 2 decades, thousands American dead + trillions wasted. Isarel call for more sanction lol we already put all the sanction we have on iran, short of war. Now Bolton is suddenly want to talk with iran after they decide not to backing down.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-...pile-limit-set-by-nuclear-deal-spokesman-says

     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As North Korea has proved - the best way to prevent the US from attacking a nation is to build a nuke.
     
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    Its a totally different situation
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How is anyone supposed to have any clue what you are talking about unless you say something about how the situation is "totally different" ?
     
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    N Korea is threatening South Korea directly and it is for their sake that trump has delayed taking kim out

    Iran otoh is begging to be attacked

    if not by the US then by Saudi Arabia and/or Israel
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Saudi Arabia and Iraq have been enemies for decades and relations between North and South Korea have not been better in numerous decades.

    What is true is that the threat of S.Korea being attacked - should the US attacked is part of what has prevented the US from attacking. A large part of this is related to N. Korea having the ability to turn S.Korea into a mushroom cloud. There is also the possibility that he could take our our fleet with nukes.

    Iran has the ability to cause significant damage to Saudi Arabia and Israel - although not with nukes. If they had nukes - this threat would be far greater.

    The situation is then the same in this respect. The best way to stop the US from attacking is to have a nuclear weapons. The best defense is a good offense. "War 101".
     
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    Thanks to trump and the south korean president tensions have lessened

    But the treat is just as great
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    - I take it that you now agree that the situation is not greatly different with respect to nukes as a deterrent.
     
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    "Iran to break uranium stockpile limit set by nuclear deal, spokesman says"

    Trump broke the deal first, so hard for us to complain about it now, come on Trump, this is a problem of your making... fix it
     
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    The situation has not changed because kim does not yet have nuclear armed missles that can reach the US

    We can defer to s korea when only they are threatened

    But that changes when kim is on the verge of threatening US cities

    And both n korea and red china know it
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Iran does not have nukes that can reach the US either - Nothing you have said changes the reality that nukes are a deterrent and that Iran having nukes would also be a deterrent.
     
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    We are not going to allow n korea to have nukes that reach the US

    That would be national suicide for America
     
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    Here's the crux of it. It is due to the US sanctions that Iran will be going above the limits.

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    The deal, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action or JCPOA, acknowledged Iran's right to enrich uranium for nuclear fuel and to produce heavy water, a moderator needed for certain types of nuclear reactors. The deal limits the amounts of these products Iran is allowed to stockpile.

    As Iran wanted to continue the production it was clear that the stockpiles for both products would grow above the limit. It was therefore agreed that Iran would export everything above the set limits as well as all newly produced enriched Uranium and heavy water.

    Part of Iran's stockpile of heavy water, which is also used in other industrial processes, was sold to the United States. Additionally produced heavy water was regularly either sold or sent to Oman to be stockpiled there until the conversion of Iran's nuclear reactor in Arak, which will use that heavy water, is completed.

    The excess enriched uranium was exported to Russia. In exchange Iran received natural Uranium for future enrichment.

    When the Trump administration left the nuclear agreement a year ago it renewed sanctions on Iran's nuclear program. But it also issued waivers for the export of heavy water and enriched uranium. Iran continued to sell these products or to stockpile them outside of the country.

    On May 3 2019 the State Department announced that it would no longer issue these waivers:
     
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    There is no difference between threatening to attack directly as of what you claim NK does, and what Iran does, as in signing a deal that the US broke. That makes it so that the US is begging for a war to start... at best.
     
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    Quick, let's go back to funding their stockpile.
     
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    Kim isn't a religious lunatic who wants to die in the name of his god. Iran's mullahs are.
     
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    There was no deal between the US and Iran.

    That was a deal between Obama, Kerry and Iran.
     
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    Says who?
     
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    Most intelligence sources believe N Korea already has a missile that can reach parts of the US.
     
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    CNN says that Obama has executive authority to make that treaty for the US.

    The other source says:
    The U.S. has two major ways of entering into international agreements: treaties and executive agreements. Treaties are legally stronger but harder to pass, because they require a two-thirds majority in the Senate in order to ratify. For that reason, executive agreements, which don’t require congressional approval, have become far more common, though generally for less consequential agreements than the Iran deal.


    So the US made that deal.
     
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    It wasn't a treaty.

    It was an "executive agreement". You'll notice the part where it's called "non-binding" multiple times.

    Just like with "executive action", it can easily be undone by the next POTUS.

    You'll notice that's what happened.

    You might also notice it's called the "Iran Deal" instead of the "Iran Treaty".

    A deal cooked up by Obama and Kerry and Iran, just like I said.

    It didn't go to Congress for ratification because even Democrats didn't agree with it.
     
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    That makes it to an US international agreement, according to your other source.
     
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    Yeah.

    An "international agreement" between Obama, Kerry, and Iran.
     
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    your source says...
    The U.S. has two major ways of entering into international agreements: treaties and executive agreements


    That disproves that Obama and Kerry were signing it only their own behalve.
     

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