Mexico is not in a formal state of war. Yet the statistics there would out way anything you care to post. America is a criminal empire, it was from birth, the children are following this example. That is what normally happens with unruly families, the siblings make the same mistakes.
My family didn't arrive in America until the early 20th century. We did not steal anything, enslave or kill anyone. Early Americans had slaves from the countries beginning until slavery was abolished after the civil war (not for 400 years). Yes, many settlers fought with the Native Americans, who also killed many settlers mind you. It was a two way street.
Right, so you have given up trying to defend your fellow europeans, that's good to know and that's a start. The people from West Africa that europeans (later to be known as americans due to a name change) enslaved in approx 1470 up until the 15th amendment in 1870 totals 400 years. The population of Native Americans is believed to have fallen by 90% due to the arrival of europeans, many constitute this as genocide and I'm sure if you knew one today they would tell you it was. So go ask them.
I was born in the US, so it is not my responsibility to defend anyone. They are more than welcome to enter the conversation if they care to. America didn't declare independence until 1776, so technically "America" only had slavery from 1776 till they were freed by Lincoln. Indeed I do know some Native Americans, including my good friend and tattoo artist. It could very well have been 90%, unfortunately many of the settlers brought disease with them as well.
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This kind of comment keeps us from having a reasonable and balanced discussion of the issue. Part of the problem with ZOOK and some of the others is that they look at crime and problems involving blacks as rooted in some kind of genetic or cultural form of blackness which is deterministic. They never consider how lots of blacks with the right combination of attitude and truly equal opportunity can and do achieve extroidinary things. The problem with racist white people is that they have always tried to benefit by exploiting blacks and have justified their actions with blatant and now more subtle accusations of black inferiority. When blacks have tried and succeded in proving racists wrong it then becomes a matter of what blacks do not merit regardless of ability or effort and how black equality is threat to the white race! Does any of this resolve blacks from responsibility ? No ! A black person just like a white who steals, kills, and pushes dope is wrong ! Its not always a question of racism or unequal economic opportunity. People including some poor inner city blacks are often bad. However a social system that creates ghettos and frequently discriminates is also bad. As for your point about liberals they have tried with mixed results to make things better. What has the political right from Barry Goldwater, to Ronald Reagan, to George Bush done in any way shape form or fashion that is better ?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. How has all the liberal concern turned out? Things have gone from bad to worse because of liberal good intentions. Look at Detroit.
No, actually, it fills me with joy that 0.3% or so of the black population can achieve extraordinary things (basketball, running and (c)rap "music" being excluded from the extraordinary things category, of course.) What I'm saying personally is that tiny percentage of blacks achieving true greatness is just not good enough and the vast majority of them are all-round nasty, negative "people." And in what's supposed to be a CIVILIZED SOCIETY, I, and many others, find that UNACCEPTABLE. Whether a tiny percentage of blacks do achieve extraordinary things or not, the fact remains (and it is a fact) that America would be FAR better off without black "people" in it when you take everything into consideration. You do have a point about what has the political right done to make things better... the answer, in my opinion, is nothing whether it be positive or negative. However, the liberal left has made things a whole lot worse. With the way things are going at the moment I can see civil war breaking out in America within the next couple of years. Especially if Obama remains in office, which he won't. The political right won't make things better. But the extreme right would.
this ^ is just another example of pointing the finger at white people and the denial that blacks actually do have equal opportunity.
I got to say I'm a little baffled with your response here. In what book or under what circumstance should it be the job of a political right person to make things better for the black race? I think we've all established the fact that its up to the black community to instill a sense of worth into their own people. The black race has time and time again rejected the Conservative message, as seen by the over 90% of their vote going to obama the half breed, and to democraps in general. Look, the majority of blacks in America will always have this sense for playing the victim card as seen with their insistence on affirmative action, quotas, reparations, race baiting, profiling, welfare handouts and the like. And what in your words would you call the 'extreme right'? And how would the 'extreme right' help a black race that has only itself to blame for the mess it got itself into?
I meant with racial relations in general. To "bring us all together." I know blacks aren't compatible with civilized society and it's their own fault they're not, but the aim of the government is to try to make it work. It's their social experiment, it's up to them to make it as workable as possible. The extreme right would be true right wingers. Those of us who reject multi-CULTuralism and forced integration entirely and whose goal is to rid the cancer within our society by way of peaceful repatriation. The political right doesn't share those goals. They're just as laxidaisical about ridding civilized society of the cancer that is black crime as the democrats.
Your point about tiny percentages relative to black achievement is off base because the fact is greatness in is rare among any group. Its usually a question of what individuals do. However considering ther social and personal obstacles some blacks have and continue to face extroidinary is an appropriate term. Most black people are not criminals and I doubt that you have spent enough time among large numbers of whites to make such categorical statements. A fair minded reasonable person would conclude there are some blacks who are positive and some who are negative. However you are a racist with an agenda thats not good for anyone!
If you read my post and think about it I am being balanced in my view of race relations. Maybe you think there is no racism and whites or the American social structure are completely above any criticism.
The fact remains that an underwhelming number of black "people" achieve greatness compared to any other race and it shows no signs of improving. The only social and personal obstacles blacks face when attempting to achieve greatness is their inability to talk coherently, their naturally low intelligence and their insistence on dressing like mentally retarded children. In this day and age where racism is ridiculed beyond belief, everybody's scared to death of denying a black "man" a job and risk being labeled an "evil bigot" by you and your ilk. So there's no reason why blacks can't achieve greatness. Infact, there's even leg-up programs like Affirmative Action to help them along the way... and yet they still fail miserably. I'd say most blacks ARE criminals, whether they've been arrested for their crimes or not. Don't forget the old black tradition of "snitches get stitches." With that in mind, most black crimes go unreported. I know this for a fact, growing up in the various ghettos I had to grow up in. And you're right, I haven't lived in a majority White neighborhood. But I have stayed with family for a few weeks in their various White neighborhoods and the contrast of civilized behavior is absolutely overwhelming. I am still blown away everytime I stay at my cousin's place in Dorset, England or my brother's place in Medford, Oregon and I don't hear any gunshots and I can leave the keys in my car as I go to the convenience store. I'm a just a racist with an agenda? Yeah, my agenda is to create a civilized society free of black crime/violence and animalistic behavior. What's YOUR agenda? No, you just don't get racial issues... at all. You're a novice on the subject.
maybe you're right. i'm just so accostomed to finger pointing at this point in my life. and since i'm white i should be able to get away with anything b/c i have white privilege
You know WS, it was all WHITE men that founded this great nation and gave us our Constitution, so I think its in our best interest to defend those traditions; and if that means criticizing a black race that has undermined and attempted to revise those traditions to suit their third world culture of ingrained crime--then I say more power to us for doing so.
