Is compulsory military service immoral?

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Is compulsory military service immoral?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When the horn sounds, ya either run toward the gun fire or away.
     
  2. Bob0627

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    The propaganda you sucked up like a sponge got you in its deadly grips. But you're far from the only one and that's why many volunteer to kill and get themselves killed for the $$$profit$$$ of the few. If no one volunteered to go to war anywhere on the planet what do you think would happen?
     
  3. JohnConstantine

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    All force is immoral. All associations and interactions should be voluntary. Any organisation which has to force people to participate can't have a good enough reason to exist on its own merits.

    Unfortunately this does de-legitimise every form of government in its current formation :/
     
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  5. ArmySoldier

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    Pretty useless reply. The topic isn't "we don't have a draft, so let's not talk about it". The topic at hand is compulsory military service immoral.

    If you want to troll, try the conspiracy threads. They are hardly moderated.
     
  6. Mr_Truth

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    I guess, then, that you would not have trouble with the government taking away your guns (if any) and those of everybody else.

    By the way, as someone who has lived in the ghetto all his life, I have known many people who enlisted in the military because of poverty and because they had no other career option in life. This means that for many, there is and has always been a de facto draft.
     
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    My take is every 18 year old should serve in the military. That we we would always have a standing army and it would make kids grow a bit before deciding what they wanted to do with the rest of their lives. It would do wonders for the morale of the country and we wouldn't have football players taking a knee.
     
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    I would never want to take my soldiers on a patrol if we had some drafted kids in our unit that were too scared to fight. It would only make our unit weaker. The draft is a bad idea. Sure it might toughen some kids up. But the majority of the kids that don't want to be in the military will only hurt their unit. Not help it.

    Hell we had a few kids in my first unit that found out we were going to deploy. They got too nervous and faked mental illnesses to get out. One was not able to get out and deployed with us. He could not be trusted and was re-assigned elsewhere and eventually shipped back for reasons I'm assuming had to do with a mental breakdown. Total waste of money and resources to have people there that don't want to be there. Not to mention, I don't want to have to run and save some kid who freaks out in a firefight and takes off. As mentioned earlier, it makes things more dangerous for those of us that want to complete the mission.
     
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    You may have a point in this snowflake generation and I hadn't thought of that. I was drafted and most of my friends were and we stepped up to the job at hand pretty well in my opinion but that was long ago. I'm not sure what the answer is with these snowflakes and you have me thinking
     
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    The snowflake generation is a dangerous generation. Now the Army is controlled by civilian lawyers who's kids were treated "mean" by DS's so they had to be chaptered out 5-17. If we had a draft, there'd be 1000X more of that.
     
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    ~ every 18 year old should serve in the military ~

    England, Canada, and almost all of the European Union do quite well without a draft. Most live their lives peacefully without the slightest thought of any need to be in the military.


    ~ do wonders for the morale ~

    Phooey. It is divisive as happened during the Vietnam war.



    ~ football players taking a knee ~


    Funny how so many forum right wingers are still obsessed over this matter but fail to address the injustices that stimulate people to do these things. (just in case anyone forgot, as it says in the Bible, ''no justice, no peace" ~ Isaiah)
     
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    It's not a good sign for the future of America that so many of are young men are to fragile to serve in the military. I'm not sure how or even if this can be turned around.
     
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    Canada and almost all the European Union depends on America's military to protect them.
     
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    There are millions who are eager to do so. There are many more who are gay and there are females willing and eager to do the same. Therefore, you need not worry.
     
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    From what?
    Soviets? Spooks and goblins hanging around the street corner??
    Wolves at the gate???
     
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    Thank God for the small percentage of the millennials that are not snowflakes and God bless their parents.
     
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    You should ask them. We've threatened several times to drastically reduce troop numbers in areas of Europe and they freak out and beg us not to.
     
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    Conscription is OK as long as both men and women are conscripted.

    Well, women want equality, don't they?
     
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    What can the future hold for a society that wants their sister to do their fighting?
     
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    It seems rather ridiculous to claim that we dont have enough troops due to liberals refusing to serve.

    We dont have enough troops because conservatives keep starting wars. That seems far more accurate.

    And look at the list of heavy hitters on the GOP side. Most of them are draft dodgers.
     
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    They should have served like Clinton and Obama did.
     
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    WW l = President Wilson

    WW ll = FDR

    Korean War = Truman

    Vietnam War = JFK/LBJ

    Al Qaeda / 9/11 /Afghanistan = Clinton
    (Al Qaeda declared war on the USA in 1996 )
    https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2010/MVZ203/OBL___AQ__Fatwa_1996.pdf

    Iraq War = G.H. Bush

    Arab Spring / Muslim Brotherhood / regime change in Egypt /regime change in Libya /
    attempted regime change in Syria / Syrian civil war / Obama's "JV Team" ISIS = Obama
     
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    Some could leave during their off hours. Slaves had various levels of privileges. Also, the chattel slavery of the ante-bellum south was the only type of slavery to have ever existed.
     
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    I've never been certain of the definition of "snowflake", but it obviously implies weakness. What kind of weakness, I'm not sure.
     
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    If they can be properly conditioned, perhaps a bright future.
     

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