Is "global warming" driving the very snowy winters we've seen in recent years?

The Salem witch hunts. You mean when they attributed a perfectly natural event to the unseen forces created by man?

Trust me, you don’t want to be making religious analogies in this debate. Your side has so gone overboard into dogma that such analogies open yourself up to a rhetorical thumping from skilled debaters.

 

You are understand this part of Windigo's and my posts correctly. Newton and Einstein. et al are the two-headed nutters for the overwhelming majorities of the scientific communities. The overwhelming majorities of the scientific communities have been posting this POW non-stop. Your expression of this POW is the latest on this tread.
It wasn't like that in the good old Salem witch-hunting days.
And?

 

I'm not debating. I'm an academic, and - other than people looking for funding from big business - I've never come across any academic even attempting to bend the truth, let alone tell lies for some mystic purpose understood only by wild-eyed right-wing nutters. Why should they, and why should I believe ignoramuses against scholars? Come ON!

 

Blah. The climatologists are the people who know about it, and you don't. End of story.

 

I'll try not to hold that against you.

Why most published research findings are false
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pmed.0020124

Academics bend the truth all the time, hell the majority of the time, because they cant for the life of them say 'I dont know'. You spend millions in grant money you cant come back and say 'We didn't find anything.' The only solution is to bend the truth a little.

You may be an academic but I'm a better debater than you. I'd back off before you get a rhetorical beating.

 

I have a scientific education. One of the hallmarks of good science is being able to convince others in other fields of science.

And when I look at some of the credentials of some climatologists like say Dr. Mann I'm left to wonder what makes him a climatologist specifically a dendro climatologist. Mann has no expertise what so ever in trees or statistics. He like most climatologists is a self proclaimed expert.

 

How is repying not to your own Blah, but to the posts you quote? Try to concentrate. Newton and Einstein et al are not climotologists. It is specifically stated in the posts. Try to concentrate.

 

Don't worry I've ran into the "I'm not debating" line plenty of times. Its just words their egos are too big to let someone else get the last word in. He's an academic which also means he is an easy mark to play.

 

Yes it is a graph - what is it supposed to represent? That there is still ice somewhere in the arctic?

You are being disingenuous because you have linked to a DANISH site, written in Danish so we cannot easily confirm WHERE this measurement was supposed to have been taken or even IF it is measuring ice at all

For all we can confirm it could be measuring the amount of alcohol in the after dinner parities in Denmark

 

That is an opinion piece published in an on line journal - nice try but no cigar

 

As opposed to an anonymous member of an online discussion group? I have heard lots and lots of claims over the years about academic credentials, some are obviously and outstandingly true as shown by the way in which people post

An awful lot are just that - claims without foundation as shown by continued inability to differentiate between on line posts and academic research, inability to do even the most basic linking and referencing etc

 

Someone forgets that the little Australian troll is on my ignore list.

 

Someone does not give a rat's furry backside

I post for those who read but do not always respond in the thread

 

I believe people who have studied a subject rather than those who haven't, since I have neither the time nor the background to go into it myself. That seems to me a rational approach, indeed the rational approach.

 

this winter was warm last winter drenched us with ice, it possibly could

 

The posts that go against sense seem to me pointless, since you ask, and I never concentrate on fanatics' nonsense.

 

Agreed

But then I not only trust a well conducted meta-analysis over some anonymous blog but I can tell the difference between the two, unfortunately many many others cannot

I also believe that "academic literacy" like this is the foundation of education. In other words we should not only be teaching kids how to read and write but how to discriminate between truth and twaddle in what they read

 

Exactly, like the critical thinking ability (and WILL to use it) to determine the glaring disparity between EMPIRICAL DATA,and ALTERED DATA...

 

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You are so dead wrong it's quiet funny and sheds a lot of light on how little you know about science. Oil is the cheapest source per joule of energy out there. Period. Nothing else comes close to the cost of energy as oil does. Get a clue.
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Bwahahahaha!!! wait wait, let me read it one more time.... bwahahahaha!!!!!

So AGW caused the 2004 tsunami?

and oceans currents are the source of all weather?

ever heard of the sun? you know, that bright yellow thing in the sky.
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Yes, which is why I believe in science rather than blogs

 

Just saying but We down under have had the highest rains on record ,personally i like not a single bush fire on the eastern seabord of australia the worse backburning conditions in decades ,and not just mild but downright cool summers are cool ,very very unusual weather 2 years in a row ,due to the Pacific Ocean warming ,is personally cool temperentising of a dry Continent ,fan flipping tastic .global warming Climate chnge level is happening kids,just saying.

hey the inland sea is even poking its head up as lake Eyre ,is sustained and expanded ,crickey havent seen pelicans for yonks.seems they have all year round food supply somewhere.never seen Sydney so green .no Climate patterns are not out of whack and the drought on the other western side is kind of pecuiiar.

 

True.
All warmists have is their senses.

I understand it does not sense pleasant to be pinned, but I ask you also understand that I take no pride in pinning down a warmist because it does not take any intellect to pin down a warmist.

 

Nobody has ever asked you to believe blogs. I ask you not believe blogs, not believe me. I ask you to think on your own and try to submit your own thoughts.

I understand it is a tricky request, because if you tried than you wouldn't be a warmist. So, I guess, never mind. You do what you are capable of doing and I shouldn't be asking you to jump over your head.