Is Owning A Slave Really That Bad?

Who says slaves cannot be treated well? Is there a law that requires slaves to be treated like garbage?

 

My picture is not on my profile. Everyone here knows I am a girl. I thought you did, too but it would seem not...

 

You are being obtuse again. You must make a slave believe they are compelled to obey you. That crap about being employed is just more of your drivel .

 

So this isn't you?



Did you think I would pass up any opportunity to debunk somebody?

 

Why must a slave owner make a slave feel compelled to obey them? Isn't an employee required to obey their employer?

I am not Jon Bon Jovi, but thanks for the compliment.

 

Yeah, I figured!

But yeah, I am a girl. I have a pic somewhere, but my avatar is cuter so I use that.

 

Yes, slavery is "really that bad" because the slave does not provide consent. The slave is robbed of choice. Every human has the birth right to self actualize or reach their full human potential, and slavery removes this birth right restricting personal freedom.

 

Classic.

Dont get upset, you brought it on yourself.

 

The two are not quite the same, but welcome to wage slavery.

 

If they did, it wouldn't be slavery.

 

The issue with slavery is not the benefits package, it's the systemic abuse and dehumanization that occurs when you view people as property.

 

I am a huge fan of personal liberty, so if someone does not have any, then I think its wrong.

I get what you as saying and asking, and I think it is a good topic.

you could very well be describing childhood.

 

What benefits would this be?

 

You are aware that slaves have been brought to America from Africa, for instance?

What?

Combating poverty? So slaves were not poor?

 

If calling slaves "people in employment" isn't an euphemism, I wonder what is.

 

Domestic workers was large part of the work force at the beginning of the 20th century.
　
They agreed to work for their room and board, and in most cases they were fine with it. Different times, and simpler lives.

 

This is not slavery.

 

I think you need to define what you mean by slave then.

In America "slave" means a person is your property. Like a desk or a chair...or a pet. They work for you whether they like it or not, are paid nothing at all, and have no say in the matter as to whether or not they want to be your property.

Because you are denying them free will.

If you are providing goods or services or currency in exchange for their service, that is not slavery.

 

Well, first off, slavery is forced indenture.

If someone is working for you for free and is doing so of their own volition, they are not a slave, they are a Volunteer.

Big Difference.



If you give them pay or provide food, shelter in return for their voluntary labor, they are also not a slave. The operative characteristic on which the morality hangs is whether the situation is Forced or whether it's Voluntary.

 

You do not see an issue with forcing someone to work for you whether they want to or not?

This is why I say that Americans value freedom more than other nations do. In America, no one would ever make the argument you are making unless they were joking. It is so intrinsically obvious to us that this is wrong that no one even bothers to defend slavery here. Even racists dont bother.

 

Hiimjered bothers and he has an American flag.

 

I think Makedde is confused as to what a slave is.

If the slave has a choice then he/she is not a slave by definition. They are a servant or a volunteer.

 

So? Even if the text you quoted he is not saying he supports slavery.

 

Would your definition include indentured servants? They are forced to work without pay or to repay a debt. Either way they are very similar to bond servants.

They are also what many societies used to call slaves, and they were the method of welfare that I described before.

Slavery also used to be a punishment for certain crimes - kind of a method of forcing certain criminals to repay their debt to society.

 

I find the idea of chattel-slavery, forced slavery, kidnap slavery, birth slavery and all other forms of wrongful imprisonment type slavery abhorrent.

On the other hand, I don't have much problem with the idea of voluntary indentured servitude (with reasonable legal protections on both sides.) I don't mind the idea of requiring labor for government benefits, and see no problem with forcing criminals to repay their debt to society or at least help fund their prison stays with their labor.

The biggest risk with those situations is the potential for abuse and a gradual drift toward the abhorrent forms of slavery, so I would rather we continue to err on the side of caution and limit or outlaw those forms as well.