Is this website making America better?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Robert E Allen, Aug 7, 2019.

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Does our fighting here make America better?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    If this is 'white', the McCain was right. :)

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    Well, I've never seen myself as the forgiving type, but I guess I would forgive parents for being inattentive once in a while. You can lock them up, but after they've killed their own kid through negligence, there's really nothing worse you can do to them. I myself have yelled at a woman to get her kid out of the car, so I'm not above a little shock therapy instruction, but if the kid has died, there's not much point in yelling at them anymore. They've hurt themselves worse than you can hurt them.
     
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    Well, aren't you so blessed to live so far away. I woke up today and went to bed with my two guns, unloaded in the cupboard, like always. When I went out today, I was not armed, nor was I in fear of armed men.

    You know nothing of life in the USA, just spout your anti gun, propaganda from what, 10K miles away?
     
  4. xwsmithx

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    Imaginary, eh?





    There was another one, too, of a hundred Muslim men dragging a German woman off under a bridge where she was gang-raped for hours. That one's been taken down.

    ISIS wing claims responsibility for Minnesota mall attack

    https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/18/us/minnesota-mall-stabbing/index.html

    U.S. woman stabbed 14 times by Somali migrant, media go dark

    https://www.wnd.com/2017/12/u-s-woman-stabbed-14-times-by-somali-migrant-media-go-dark/

    From the same article: "
    Here are just some of the Somali-related cases in Minnesota that never seem to get resolved.

    Justine Damond, 40, was killed in July after calling police to report a sexual assault in progress in the ally next to her home in Minneapolis's 5th precinct.

    For three straight days in late June 2016, residents of Linden Hills neighborhood on Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis were terrorized by a group of more than a dozen Somali men in their early- to mid-20s. Several of the men threatened to rape a female resident of the community, saying it was their right under Shariah law

    In 2014 a mysterious New Year's Day explosion occurred at a building containing several apartments and a grocery store in the heavily-Somali area of Cedar Riverside, Minneapolis.

    In April 2017 WND reported on the presence of "Shariah cops" patrolling the streets of Cedar Riverside, making uninvited visits to the homes of local Somalis to make sure they were living in compliance with Sharia

    In November 2017, a Somali man carried out a bloody knife attack against two brothers in the changing room of a clothing store at Mall of America."

    No hammers, but plenty of knives. And the attacks are only the tip of the Somali iceberg: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41446307/...ts/t/somali-gangs-move-sex-trafficking-fraud/

    Yes, let's open a book and see how Muslims are:


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    It took extra effort, but I have linked every title to its Amazon page for anyone who wants to buy one of these. The foremost authority on this topic is Robert Spencer, but of course he is dismissed as "RACIST" by the left.
     
  5. Mr_Truth

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    Yup. Imaginary. I can post three dozen more on Christian atrocities that far surpass those imaginary "attacks".

    As an example, you may see my previous links on the topic.
     
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    Actually, @Adfundum has probably written the most insightful post in this thread! In the process of engaging in discussions, debates -- some of which get quite heated, I have trained myself to do a lot more in-depth research. Years ago while posting here, I learned that if I just "shot from the hip" in some debate, and didn't have my facts straight, and fleshed-out, one of my opponents would flank me and tear my argument to pieces!

    This taught me a LOT, and now I always try to do that "due-diligence" which will support viewpoints in the most complete way. I guess it's why I end up writing such L-O-N-G posts (plus, I like having the residual increased typing skills...and my English spelling is orders-of-magnitude better than it was. 8) .)

    Here's just one small example: before I began sparring with some of the libs in this forum about 'global-warming', etc., I had no awareness at all exactly how much of the dreaded Carbon Dioxide there is in the atmosphere. Well, while preparing a rebuttal to one poster, I discovered that CO2 makes up a mere 0.04% of the Earth's atmosphere, and, that CO2 is actually an organic molecule that is absolutely necessary for life on this planet even to exist! My opposition withered after I presented those facts.... Indeed, "information is power"....

    So, yes, forums like this one are very beneficial, IMHO -- especially given the enormous, empty vacuum that has been created in public 'education' in the United States -- which has badly affected nearly all student populations in the past 40 years.
     
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    Again , from the liberal professor's book "Rising Star"

    "In Chicago, unhappiness with the Obama White House was widespread. African American publisher Hermene Hartman sarcastically congratulated Emanuel on taking the first black president and making him non-black, and retiring mayor Richard Daley complained that “we’ve got a Chicago guy in Washington and he’s forgotten Chicago.” In March 2011, Hartman went public about black Chicago’s disappointment with Barack, telling Chicago Magazine’s Carol Felsenthal that Barack “has not been loyal to some of the people who were there for him from day one,” like Jim Reynolds. “Did you outgrow us, or did you forget?” Hartman asked. Sentiments like Hartman’s could also be found
    Garrow, David. Rising Star (Kindle Locations 23378-23383). William Morrow. Kindle Edition. "
     
  8. Mr_Truth

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    And so one person's opinion overrides the many tens of thousands of black voter sentiments? I'm sure that all those people who happily voted for Obama views that opinion as worthless. But if you can produce evidence to the contrary, I'll happily consider it.
     
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    "Sentiments like Hartman’s could also be found in Roseland’s modest bungalows. Barack “forgot where he came from,” longtime Reformation Lutheran custodian John Webster said, his voice full of tears. “I don’t forget people who help me,” but “he lost his soul,” and “it hurts me so bad.” On Roseland’s decrepit South Michigan Avenue shopping strip, one young woman, asked what she would tell Barack, had an easy reply: “Just take all the guns away. The guns are ridiculous.” Pastors whose churches abutted Palmer Park, across from what once had been Barack’s office at Holy Rosary, warned that the park was entirely unsafe after dark. Data showed that Chicago’s public schools were serving black students no better than they had twenty years earlier, with"
    Garrow, David. Rising Star (Kindle Locations 23382-23387). William Morrow. Kindle Edition.
     
  10. dairyair

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    This thread topic between us started because you whined how tuff tRUMP has it.
    I responded that a black skin president had to withstand being prez and black, so his time in office was much tougher simply because of his skin color and the racism within the country.
    And the proof of racism still is running high today.

    You went off on tangents about how he wasn't seen black by other politicians because of how he conducted himself.
    Which has ZERO to do with the racists in this country and their treatment of black people.

    He could NOT hide his skin color. I am willing to bet, he is at the top or very near the top in death threats to a president, simply because he has black skin.
     
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    Guess people there think different from people here in flyover country..altho' there's always some whackos that want to assassinate the President..
    I don't believe Obama was at a greater risk because of his skin color, I do know that there were far more Leftist fantasies about assassinating Republican Presidents because of their politics and Party. Conservatives are not the racist party you've been led to believe, the Left, however, shades EVERYTHING in race and identity, and the truth is, Conservatives just don't care about that crap, this is the USA were everyone with half a brain can succeed and thrive.
     
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    - Leftist fantasies about assassinating Republican Presidents because of their politics -


    "proof" please




    - Conservatives are not the racist party you've been led to believe, the Left, however, shades EVERYTHING in race -


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    https://www.theawl.com/2011/04/primate-in-chief-a-guide-to-racist-obama-monkey-photoshops/



    As always, nobody plays the race card more than the far right.



    Today, Trump says that any Jew who votes Democrat is "disloyal" and that he is the Chosen. His supporters applaud thereby proving that nobody is more antisemitic or plays the antisemite card more than the radical far right.


    This forum does help make America better by proving these points every single day.
     
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    You were one of the first I sparred with on these boards, and you made me go back and dig harder for facts and think harder about what I was actually saying. All the while, you resisted the hostility and name calling. I've thought a lot about that.

    Since then, I've thought a lot more about what our disagreements (as a nation) really are. We all seem to have more in agreement than we believe. So what is it that we're arguing about? I'm not a scientist, but IMO, the biggest issue is the language we use, how we frame issues, or how those issues are framed for us. Is the planet doomed or do we have some problems we should address? Are they immigrants or invaders? Muslims or terrorists? Such labels tell us a lot about how we view things.

    And even when we use the same words, they can have wildly different meanings to us individually. What do you mean when you say socialism, globalism, or democracy? I've seen so many arguments here where people seem to be arguing for the same thing but are so fixated on those broad terms and their personal meanings that they think they're on opposing sides. Someone here cued me into this.

    As far as education, I think you're right that it's far worse now. And I say that as a retired teacher. Where we might disagree is in what makes it worse (but I don't really know your thoughts, and we could save that one for another thread).

    The real strength of a forum like this is being able to come and share opinions. The weakness is when we assume we're here to change minds and that we've got all the answers. When we are unwilling to admit we might be wrong on something, when we turn into trolls and make personal attacks, we sink to a pitiful level. I don't want us all the think the same way. I want us to argue it out; to point out the weakness and error in our thinking. I want to learn from others, not be left to wallow or be a willing victim in the this era of disinformation.
     
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    A handful of examples does not reflect the attitudes, behaviors, and beliefs of the other 1.8 billion Muslims. What you're doing here is reinforcing a stereotype.
     
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    Isn't reinforcing a stereotype one of the foundations of all bigotry? Its one of the "go to" tactics for damn sure.
     
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    The only thing imaginary here is your belief in the truth.
     
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    Or exposing a truth. It can be argued either way depending on your foundation.
     
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    Yes, but it's also a natural human tendency. I don't think most of us realize how much of our reality is created by such things. It's good to point out the faulty logic, however.
    It could be, and a person's foundation can certainly be the result of thinking in stereotypes. The point is that we don't know what the overwhelming majority of Muslims share with those in the radical and terroristic examples.
     
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    LOL. Yes, there are a great right wing holocaust deniers. And while the rest of us know those shameful acts were for real so many on the far right continue to live in denial. Shame on all of them.
     
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    So he has an opinion...
    He still can't say the majority believes this way or that. Do all Christians think alike? Why?
     
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    A foundation built upon fallacy can hardly be justified as exposing a truth.
     
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    Or a fallacy claiming to be the truth, but with no justification, can be justified as hiding the truth. Depends on your point of view.
     
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    Or truth claiming to be a fallacy with justification can not be hiding the truth as we spin in a never ending spiral of semantic fallacy.
     
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    His "opinion" was based on actual survey results. Your objections are based on nothing but your personal feelings.
     

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