Islam spreads to South America

I don't know about the number "tens of thousands" that you mention, but those that the US military has killed in Afghanistan are terrorists of the Taliban and Al Qaeda who have declared war against America, and however many they kill of them > GOOD. Hopefully, they will kill many more of those vermin, and perhaps one day exterminate them off the face of the earth.

FALSE statement that "America has killed far more innocent people than any terrorist groups combined." Also FALSE is the statement that "Christians have killed FAR more people than Muslims."


Both are prime examples of a Muslim Islamist lying to further his cause of Islamic jihad.

MUSLIMS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS OF MORE THAN 270 MILLION NON-MUSLIMS WORLDWIDE

120 MILLION AFRICANS

Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.

60 MILLION CHRISTIANS

The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson,World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:

80 MILLION HINDUS

Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”

10 MILLION BUDDHISTS

Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam); everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.]

270,000,000: THAT’S WAY MORE THAN STALIN, HITLER, MAO, POL POT, IDI AMIN, AND THE REST OF THE 20TH CENTURY’S GENOCIDAL MURDERERS.
However many people Christians have ever killed, it is tiny compared to the horrific 270,000,000 number of Muslim murders. No cult, religion, ideology or nation even comes close to Islam's terrible record.

 

first - have muslims (american or otherwise) voted for terrorists such as osama bin laden to represent them?

you will probably point to hamas ... so my response to that is, while not comparing them to the national socialist party that arose in germany in the 30's - it s worth bearing in mind that popular support for a radical political group doesn't happen in a vacuum.


second - your understanding of human beings is poor if you think they don't.

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/tam/categories/C167

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

http://www.islamfortoday.com/ummzaid06.htm

there are numerous muslims who are political prisoners under despotic regimes, who are the victims of terror attacks because they don't conform to extremist views, or belong to the wrong sect, etc etc.

the west has supported hard line islam in saudi arabia against a population who would like more freedom.

Muslims speak out all the time.

that you don't know this says more about you than it does about Islam, or Muslims.

 

First of all, they don't have the same "religion", they have the same ideology.

Secondly, if they identify themselves as Muslims, then they DO share the views of the terrorists, because the views of the terrorist are the views of Islam.

Koran "Verse of the Sword" - Sura 9:5 - "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

AND : Sura 8:12 - "I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers."

AND : Sura 8:59-60 - "Let not the unbelievers think that they will ever get away. They have not the power to do so. Muster against them all the men and cavalry at your command, so that you may strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy"

If those who identify themselves as Muslims do not share these views, then they are NOT Muslims, no matter what they call themselves.

 

yes, you are repeating this - but I ask you again - WERE ALL THESE PEOPLE KILLED BECAUSE OF ISLAM< OR WAS SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON?

WOULD YOU INCLUDE ALL DEATHS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE< OR COLONISED PEOPLE _ AS THE RESULT OF CHRISTIANITY?

if you are going to be using the same criteria (which includes invasion and wars, cultural expansion, repression exploitation and subjugation, unequal trade relationships, slavery etc severe penalties for non compliance with the invaders/occupiers - see the belgian Congo as an example) for the cause, all these deaths would be attributed to christianity also.

 

(*)(*)(*)(*) right the Catholic Church should be leading the crusade against pedophilia starting with their clergy.

 

I know quite well about the levels of speaking out among Muslims, and 2 of the examples you presented are flawed by having such voices as Imam Faisal Rauf (a Stealth Jihadist), and CAIR (right arm of Hamas in the US, and defined as a co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Hamas terrorist-funding trial by the US Justice Dept.)

A couple of better examples of Muslims speaking out against both violent jihad (Al Qaeda) and non-violent stealth jihad (Muslim Brotherhood) are :

1. American Islamic Forum for Democracy -http://www.aifdemocracy.org/

2. Islam Watch - http://islam-watch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&Itemid=55

 

FALSE ! These 270 Million deaths are attributable to Muslim conquest with the standard MO of :

1. Convert to Islam or :

2. Become a Dhimmi or :

3. Be killed.

They have nothing to do with Christianity or anything other than Islam.

 

al-Qaida kills more Muslims and Afghans than they do any other religion or nationality.

So, I'm sorry these "Muslims" blow themselves up in Afghani market places, spray acid in the faces of Muslim women trying to get an education, and opppress an entire nation.

There. Happy now?

Ohh. Okay. And if you despise every religion, that's not my problem. You can hate whatever you like.

 

No. They are civilian casualties. It took the lives of thousands of innocent civilians to find Bin Laden and kill him. And take Iraq's oil.

Prove how it's false. They've already outdone the al-Qaida killed on 9/11 in Afghanistan and Iraq. And America has been involved in countless wars. How much credit do you give terror groups?

Since you want to attribute the actions of any Muslim or "Muslim" to the total number of Islamic casualties, and I'd appreciate your source for these numbers by the way, then we should add up the murder of every Christian in the hostory to the total number of Christianity casualties, shouldn't we? Care to add these totals of all the blood spilt by the hand of Christians? Of course not.

You know, it's funny. Islam is growing at a fast rate these days, and nobody is forcing it on anybody. Back when it first started out, Mohammed PBUH didn't force the religion on anybody. When he would conquer a Quraysh village or when he conquered Mecca, he didn't force people to convert to Islam or be killed. Pagans lived as Pagans. Christians lived as Christians. Jews lived as Jews.

 

Actually yes.
Very much so, it's about time.

As for despising every religion, nope, pretty much exclusive to Islam although if more Muslims acknowledged there is a division within thier ranks and joined in the battle with a united front to condemn and fight Radical Islam that probably would change dramatically.

 

LOL

Quick question. I see you aren't really making any legit points to win this argument, I just wonder. What is it about these specific verses stood out so much, you didn't even add the verses before and after these specially selected verses? Oh, don't answer that. I already know why - you wouldn't have anything to use if you did that.

I love how you consider a few hundred - at the most thousand - people in a religion with a following of 2 billion world wide to be the true Muslims, and the other 99% to be the false Muslims. The logic of an Islamophobe.

Where did you get that from?

Christianity seemed to have the convert or be killed game plan. I mean, Christians wiped out entire civilizations. Christians genocided the native aboriginals on their own land. Christians genocided Muslims and Jews during the Crusades. I don't want to spend all night listing the death of the world brought on by Christians. Who follow Christianity. So, according to your theory, they are the true Christians.

 

Thank you. But I didn't say I hate religions either. I just despise them.

 

Haha wow are you ever arrogant?

Okay now apologize for the death brought upon the world by Christians and America. I blame all Christians and Americans for all of it, because these were Christians and Americans representing Christians and Americans (because I say they are) doing what it to be accepted by true Christians and Americans.

That last part wasn't to you. I don't care of your views of Islam. Why would I?

One last thing. There is division within Islam. But it doesn't involve al-Qaida, the Taliban, or any affiliated group - including their trainers and funders the CIA of America, but that's for another time - and more to do with the actual religion itself.

There are many sects in Islam, for extremely stupid reasons which isn't even allowed in Islam. And these sects prosecute eachother, which is rediculous. These sects are the division of Islam.

Taliban and al-Qaida are external issues in the Middle East - created by and funded by the CIA of America for their own national interests - falsely trying to represent Islam by committing sins. And the ignorant folks believe every word their enemy says....

 

Hate. Despise. Don't they mean the same thing?

Either way, I don't judge on beliefs or lack of belief, whichever you consider it.

 

No, to me there is a difference. Anyway I can say that you sound like a good person. I would have no problem being your friend in real life

 

Oh. All good.

But me? I'm just your average crazy, suicidal, Moz-lem. Lol....

 

Oh I know about your kind. I happen to have three muslim nieces. Always check them for bomber vests when they pay me a visit

 

You have a point that Christians do have a bloody history.
They have committed atrocities against themselves, Muslims, Jews and others.

However, over the past couple hundred years they have cleaned their act up considerably.

Hopefully for the bomb toting (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s we hear about if not every day, probably about once a week it won't take another 200 years for them to clean up their act.

 

Yeah I don't blame you. It's scary stuff us Moz-lems do. How old are they? Because the little Moz-lems are our secret weapon for world domination.

You sould install airport security in your house whenever they come visit. You know, medal detectors, security, pat downs, cavity searches, all of that good stuff.

You will never stop hearing about them. Western media has a clear agenda, and it seems to be working. Funny how a minority of Arabs can influence a minority of Westerners to hate the majority of Arabs with the help of FOX News and other Western media outlets.

And the bloodshed on the Christian side hasn't stopped. Maybe it's not for the same reason, but since there is so much double standards when talking about how Muslims kill so many people, in only seems fair to still continue to add Christian murders today to the Christian total. Doesn't it?

 

No it doesn't. What Christian murders ? And yeah, a minority of Arabs (Mo the Pedophile and his gang) have influenced a majority of Westerners to hate the Koran and the 1400 years (including the present) of terrorist conquest and Islamization it spawned. But it was doing that long before Fox News came around, and most Islamization has never been reported by Western media outlets. One has to seek that information out in books and reports.

 

It really is.
The violence and constant reminders in the news.
The images of angry mobs, the way the media portrays Israel as a victim of Muslim hatred and violence.

How can you expect average Joe Blow American to really understand what is going on.

And when you act so arrogant as to deny it is Muslims committing these acts and not just the radicals.

Is it radicals wanting to put a mosque within walking distance of ground zero?
That is inexcusably insensitive and only adds more heat to the fire coming from supposedly the innocent victimized Muslims.

You (in the general sense) are actively turning those who may support you into your enemies.

Another sore point you poke with a stick.
Yes, our government is using the "threat", real or perceived of Radical Islam to erode the rights guaranteed to citizens of this country.
Another point where you needlessly agitate those who may support you into actively opposing you.

People in this country don't hate Arabs.
They hate Muslims and I don't believe you are too stupid to understand the difference so what is left?
You intentionally repeat a lie to avoid responsibility and accuse those with valid complaints against Islam as racists against Arabs.
Muslim does not equate to Arab, it includes many ethnicities and nationalities.
I have met Arabs who hate Muslims and what Islam has done to thier societies with a passion equal to or greater than any we feel here.

As for the US Governments contributions to this environment.
Unlike you I absolutely acknowledge the manipulation and violence America as well as England, Russia and other International Interests have done to harm the Middle East and the many different ethnic peoples who live there.

If you want to accuse Christians of violence and bloodshed on a par with Islam I would like to see references - because frankly I don't belive it.

I'm not saying it isn't plausable and given proof I wouldn't change my mind, but without proof I don't believe it.