Israel Arresting Palestinian Children For Facebook Posts

Must suck being a Canadian and having your land for all those years and Americans just run in and steal it from you, driving you further north. Then you tried to come back and take it, but we sent you right back up to that hell hole you guys were driven back to.

Canada, the world's greatest apology.

 

Whoops - there must have been a misunderstanding; I was writing about real world here, instead of the alternate reality history you take refuge in.

What game were you playing, you say?

In any case, your "passion for history" explain why you end up backing fascists that emprison minors for what they expressed in a social media.

 

You know what's really sad for Canada

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

Canada's military is worse than the following countries (in order from most hilarious, to the strongest):

Iran
Thailand
Taiwan (LOL!)
Poland (haha really?)
Vietnam
Israel (everyone knew that)
Brazil
INDONESIA???? HAHAHAHA
Pakistan
Egypt (and they're a failed state!)
South Korea
Italy (tiny little country, still stronger than Canada)
Germany
Japan (they don't even have a MILITARY! LOL they have a Self Defense Force and they are not forward deployed like Canada is lol!)
UK
France
India
China
Russia
And Number one in the entire world, the United States of America.

*Drops mic*

 

Says nothing about the individuals that makes up the forces. Having a fat arse as a grunt does not pose any problem to a force who does its entire work with airstrikes.

When the going gets toughand personal, and grunt work is required, the US usually call on Canadians (or Aussies).

You guys are more button-pushers than scrappers.

 

Says more than anything. Canadians are naturally weaker, both emotionally, and physically, than Americans. They typically are fed double portions to try to keep up with coalition forces. Also, the natural tendency for Canadians is to surrender so we have to teach them how to reverse their "fight or flight" reflexes. It's called the Canadian effect.

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Also, what is Canada going to do when Russia decides to take that land? Canada has no military

 

You can't even name one battle where Canadians lost. And when we won, we did it the hard way, mano a mano. Look at where we fought in; We are much more scrappers than you'll ever be - the US army lives in the fear of losing even one man; What kind of "warriors" does this produces? Voluminous, bodybag-fearing babies who insist on social priviledges for being "heroes" while they were eating up Mars bars in the desert.

You try to compensate by being the nation who "invests" the most in (XXth century) warfare. And you are proud of your insecurity? Fine. Even with that you find a way to score defeats here and there vs third world armies.

Take comfort in the fact that while it happens you guys are getting trashed by the Chinese?

 

How did I defend Mein Führer?

 

The Russians think Canada is the biggest strong hold to station themselves against Americans. If Canadian Generals are so scared that Russia will come assert themselves and steal land in order to better geopolitically assert themselves against the US, you'd think Canada would build up some form of Army. Instead, Taiwan is stronger than Canada. Does it worry you that Taiwan could better defend themselves from someone than you could? I find it hilarious

 

Okay, you have a point here.

IMO, the Canadian strategy for the North Passage consists in a defensive stance, mainly aerial, due to bases proximity, plus a few naval assets, mainly for spotting. Of course, in a Canada vs Russia scenario, we'll get wiped no matter what measures we take. There only 30-35 million Canadians for all that territory.

But at the same time, that territory is a fantastic barrier, much like Russia's steppes but harsher. In the event that they temporarly win it, it will take Russia much of their ressources to maintain it.

However, our biggest defense is real politics. It's quite entertaining to build such scenarios as a Canada/Russia war, but real politics makes it very unlikely to happen: If Russia attacks Canada, chances are they will also get to war with other nations at the same time, if for territorial reasons. Besides, Russia knows they won't get the passge - but it's their role to make a bid for it anyway, if only to get a concession somewhere else.

There's some sword-rattling for PR's sake between Russia and the West, but I don't believe that at this point anybody is really interested in full scale war.

 

Well back on topic I.. Don't think children should be held indefinitely. There needs to be rules. Such as stipulated age as to when these Palestinian kids would be considered as adults to me seems key. Then if under that age limit detainment and questioning based upon the severity of their crime. At that point get them some counseling and try to release them to family.

If you don't do something like this they will mature in a hostile environment hating Israel for good reasons versus just some Hamas propaganda and hormones and eventually most will be released and then your going to have yourself a hardened man that will carry a bomb and blow themselves up

 

I know what neo-liberalism is, and if you were even remotely knowledgable about economic basics you wouldn't be making laughably ignorant and delusional claims such as "we live in a capitalist laissez-faire era". Our economies are regulated to the hilt by our governments, and neither your prime minister nor my president are Austrian School libertarians, and there's a reason for that - we do not live in a capitalist laissez-faire era. Not even close.

For the record, I asked you to rephrase your question so that it was actually coherent, and then stated that I would be glad to respond to it once you expressed yourself in an intelligible manner. Let's take a look back at the mangled English in your post, shall we?:

What the (*)(*)(*)(*) is that indecipherable gibberish supposed to mean? Help me out here.

While we're clearing things up, your illiteracy does not qualify as a capacity on my part to delude myself or an effort to "ignore the elephant in the living room".

Gypsies, the mentally impaired, anyone considered Der Untermensch by the Nazis was targeted by the Nazis for extermination. That went for many of their POWs, too, particularly the Slavic variety. Everyone knows that. Why should Gypsies be treated like "sacred cows who wage wars on our liberties" when "progressives" are responsible for the Political Correctness and "hate speech" laws that exist in our countries? Because you subscribe to the notion that Jews are "sacred cows" or are being treated like "sacred cows"?

You're entitled to believe and internalize any nonsense you like, but unfortunately that doesn't explain why other groups, Muslims, homosexuals, et al, are treated like "sacred cows" and people are prosecuted for criticizing them and their beliefs. I'm also trying to figure out how you're going to fit Muslims into your "sacred" Holocaust "cow" narrative when Muslims had a hand in exterminating the Nazis' victims, but I won't be holding my breath to find out.

Laugh it up, sport - the joke's on you.

Unlike myself, you haven't presented ANY facts or evidence to support your claim. All you've done is prattle about an "elephant in the room" that people allegedly aren't considering, despite the fact that you've been challenged on what allegedly hasn't been considered.

Why don't you exert some intellectual effort for a change? No one is assuming or has claimed that "everything that's good comes from the right, while everything that's bad came for the left". The only person that is spouting that simple nonsense is you.

 

The intentional derailing of this thread makes perfect sense and folks reading along should take note


THREAD UPDATE:

Israel has been interrogating and imprisoning dozens of Palestinian minors for months without any legal representation or a parent's presence FOR POSTING ON THE INTERNET!

 

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I suppose that Israel's network of Hasbara Trolls can't even come up with a Fig Leaf to justify Israel's routine criminal abuse of Native Palestinian children so derailing the thread is a welcome blessing.

Of course there's no excuse for this additional Zionist crime in "Democratic" Israel so there's little to debate.
What "Israel Advocate" (aka Hasbara Troll) is going to try to defend this travesty when the Zionist Regime is guilty of so much worse forms of Pedocide:

“Video Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It”
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/0...n-for-fun-but-facebook-wont-let-you-share-it/
EXCERPT “Footage released on YouTube clearly shows Israeli soldiers firing live rounds at Palestinian children playing on a roof in Al Khalil, an area of Hebron in Occupied Palestine.(*) An important piece of evidence attesting to the brutality of Israeli occupation.(*) Yet, Facebook users have reported(*) that the social media platform is preventing them from sharing the video." CONTINUED


AND


“Israeli security forces 'killed 25 Palestinian children' in three months, UNICEF says”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-15/25-palestinian-children-killed-in-3-months-unicef/7415256

EXCERPT “UNICEF cited the example on October 25 in Hebron in the West Bank of a 17-year-old girl who was "taken by IDF (Israel Defence Forces) soldiers for a search, shot with at least five bullets and killed".

Israeli law allows Palestinian children from the age of 12 to be put on trial”CONTINUED


When targeting children "For Fun" is endemic to the IDF & the Zionist State, there's little more to be done that is much worse.

Are any of the International Child Welfare agencies or Movie Stars condemning this & if not, why?

Oh, I know!

It's Israel.

 

If you lived in a society in which the opposite crowd from yours was placing daggers in the hands of their toddlers and prompted to say "kill [your group]", you might feel differently.

Frankly, IMO anyone in that cultural group that owns property should be compensated for it and encouraged to leave...and no new rentals should be allowed after a specified date.

 

Holy crap, dude.

 

Why would you think children are held indefinitely and without rules ? there is no other place on Earth that has so much media cover as the WB and Gaza, each stone thrower has his own documentry crew as escort so if there were childern being held for years without "rules" it would have been known.

 

Because most of the world sees things for what they are, Palestinians use their kids to kill Israelis, we already had 13 y old terrorists and many of October riots terrorists (Knife intifada) were children, we had 3-4 attacks a day - so why this fake surprise that some kids get arrested ? its not "fun" to deal with barbarians but it will end one day, already Gaza behaves much better than it did before the last OP, I think they are slowly getting the point.

Arabs are being brain washed against Israel from birth and those crazy "liberal" socialist nutters in the west that hate everything that doesnt hate them - are twisted enough to belive the crap you are selling

 

Ever since the invasion of Foreign Zionist Terrorist Gangs and 60+ years of Genocidal Occupation, the Zionist Regime has massacred, tormented, robbed & expelled over 1 Million Native Palestinian.

Palestinian children don't need to be "trained" to hate Israelis for what various Zionist Regimes & Psycho-Settlers have done to them THEIR WHOLE LIVES.

Meanwhile: "The Palestinian people are being denied some elementary freedoms: the(*)freedom of movement, the freedom to access their stolen lands and the(*)freedom to protest injustice without facing brutal repression.(*)Those(*)living in the Gaza strip (56% of whom are children) live under a(*)debilitating siege, limiting their access to water, medical supplies,(*)and construction material.”(see below)


1. Re:

Yes, most of the World sees Israel for the Ethnic Cleansers they really are:

“BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations” http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bbc-poll-israel-among-world-s-least-popular-nations-1.525890
EXCERPT“The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular; only countries less popular than Israel are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.”CONTINUED

2. Re:

Boo Hoo! Name just ONE Group of people who have lived under the most brutal & longest, genocidal, foreign-funded Occupation & not fought back against their Occupiers.

Even Israel's ethical & clear thinking residents see the racist nature of Israeli society:



“Israel Is a Racist Country. Take It From Me, an Ethiopian Israeli “
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.727935

EXCERPT “Formal equal rights aren't enough. Equality must be seen on the ground, but on social media we still get 'Go back to Ethiopia.' “CONTINUED

AND

“From Israeli Citizens: Please Do Not Legitimize Racism, Occupation and Apartheid - Please Heed Palestinian Civil Society's BDS Call and Do Not Perform in Tel Aviv”
http://boycottisrael.info/content/i...m-occupation-and-apartheid-please-heed-palest

EXCERPTS “We are Israeli activists who support the Palestinian civil society call(*)for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel's policies(*)of colonialism, occupation and apartheid towards the Palestinian(*)people.

All aspects of Palestinian lives are controlled by a foreign(*)occupying army, from the ability to study, work or travel to building(*)permits on their own land.

Israel's attempts to mask systematic human-rights abuses and decades-long(*)oppression against the Palestinians, rely on its ability to maintain a(*)progressive and democratic image in the eyes of the international(*)community. Israel often goes as far as promoting itself as "the only(*)Democracy in the Middle East". Israel's apartheid policies, however, are inherent...

The Palestinian people are being denied some elementary freedoms: the(*)freedom of movement, the freedom to access their stolen lands and the(*)freedom to protest injustice without facing brutal repression.(*)Those(*)living in the Gaza strip (56% of whom are children) live under a(*)debilitating siege, limiting their access to water, medical supplies,(*)and construction material.”CONTINUED


How obtuse do you have to be not to realize that when you massacre a Native Population by the thousands, steal their land, destroy their homes, poison their land[1] & embrace Ethnic Cleansing[2], they're going to fight back?








[1] “Israel Sprays Farms In Gaza With Poisonous Chemicals (Video)”
http://yournewswire.com/israel-sprays-farms-in-gaza-with-poisonous-chemicals-video/

EXCERPT “Israeli pesticide planes sprayed Gaza’s agricultural lands east of Gaza in recent days causing huge damage to the crops in a very short space of time.

“When I arrived on my farm on Wednesday morning, I was surprised when I saw an Israeli farming plane crossing the borders towards farms inside Gaza,” farmer Ahmed Badawi said. “The plane started to spray unidentified chemicals.”
Mahmoud Dalloul, another farmer in a different area near the border, said that this was not the first time that the Israeli occupation sprayed poisonous chemicals on their plants.

“In addition to the repeated demolition of our structures and facilities on the ground,” Dalloul said, “the Israeli occupation destroys our crops from the air.” CONTINUED




[2] “Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html

 

I'll try to answer your post while getting back into the OP's subject (sorry for the derailing, Sam)

You just highlighted your bias: Before NAFTA, what you wrote made more sense, but since then, our governements dance to the tune of the big corps. Oh yeah, sure, the little guys are loaded with regulations, to be better fodder for the big ones, that have negociating power that eludes any governance. We are also going TPP, very soon. We live in an era of capitalistic laissez-faire. Look at the legalized fiscal paradises and tax shelters, the bribes, the buyouts, the corruption - it's everywhere around us. Beside greed, we know little values nowadays.

Gypsies, homosexuals etc just don't have the clout to change things - The zionist lobby has. Of course it is a leftist current, this censure bllsht, but it is a leftist current in which the Jewish community invested a lot - that's Hollywood for you. Look at the great communist witch-hunt of the 50s: Who were the main targets? Think Charles Chaplin.

Do you really believe that Gypsies, gays and the infirms have means that compare to the jewish lobbies? Where is the Gypsies' AIPAC?

You can't attack the left and defend the jews at the same time, since they are more or less the same thing; Progressive people - except when Israel is mentionned, when they become fascists that would shame a nazi, like supporting the (harsh) detention of minors. That, my friend, is the living room elephant you are trying to ignore.

You didn't present any "facts and evidences", just opinion pieces.

From what I know from you, and the couple of posts we shared, you are a black 'n' white type of guy, ergo often in contradiction with yourself. Let go of your partisanry and go back to your own ideals (if you have some of your own): Do you really think that emprisonning children for something they posted in a social media is a good idea? If not denouce it, and fck that simplistic left/right dichotomy. The world is much more complicated than that.

 

If they are taught the Torah at a young age, Jews are also brainwashed into believing that all other people live only to serve them.

If I were a Palestinian in one of the territories you guys are screwing, how could I come to like you, who hate ansd abuse me? With a little help from Stockholm's syndrome, IMO.

It's impossible for a Palestinian to like Jews as a people. Except maybe on an individual level. Would you like the Nazis if you were stuck in the late 30s Germany? Would you be a racist for it?

 

How do you define " administrative detention " ? That's a rule? A policy that allows for the literal abduction of minors from their homes without legal representation for a subjective and indefinite period and a Facebook post got one kid 6 months? Imagine that being your son or daughter.

Your only defense for the Israeli actions is that the liberal west doesn't understand that Palestinian terrorists brainwash and arm children to do harm so that makes it ok? So because adults harm their children means other adults should perpetuate it? That's all you've really said

That video is barbaric..no words for that. Shot that kid like he was an animal, maybe you saw him with an RPG? Looked like he was guilty of playing peek a boo on a roof to me. Yes shoot him and laugh about it that will keep Israel safe.

 

Actually, what we're seeing here is a reflection of your own bias and ignorance of what constitutes laissez-faire economics. This shouldn't require explaining, but the existence of tax shelters, bribes, buyouts and corruption doesn't negate the fact our economy - and society, for that matter - is not free from government interference. If it was free of government interference many of the things you're complaining about, most notably the incestuous relationship between corrupt government officials and private business interests, wouldn't even exist.

Homosexuals don't have the clout to change things? Get real, man - they just got through changing the marriage laws in the United States, and they're forcing, with the help of their "progressive" friends, religious people to violate their beliefs to accommodate homosexuals. Obviously, they have enormous clout.

As for the nefarious Jews and their lobbies, their clout doesn't make them responsible for everything that goes on in our societies. To claim that they do is not only delusional and illogical, it is, at best, paranoid.

C'mon. I used to be Leftist and I am an agnostic who was raised in a Catholic household.

Of course, people can attack the Left and defend Jews at the same time. The Left is an ideological group that consists of members from numerous ethnic and religious groups. In fact, many Leftists don't even belong to any religious group, much less the Jewish variety.

Are you trying to claim that I ignore "progressives" when they become fascists?

Clearly, you're the one ignoring the elephant in the room here. A lot of people consider "progressive" speech codes fascist, which is why I pointed out the hypocrisy of the Leftists who support those speech codes in their countries but condemn them in others.

The origins of Political Correctness and our "hate speech" codes aren't opinion. What people think and say about Political Correctness and "hate speech" codes are opinion.

That's funny. From a couple of posts you're able to draw your own black and white conclusions about a person.

Methinks you're projecting, MVP.

How in the world can you conclude that I think imprisoning people of any age for what they post in social media or speak in public is a good idea? If I thought it was a good idea I wouldn't be taking issue with the "progressive" hypocrites who support speech codes in their countries but condemn them in others.

Perhaps, I'm mistaken, but it appears that you got so lost in your own prejudices and preconceived notions that you really didn't pay close attention to anything I have posted. Maybe you should take your own unsolicited advice and open up your own mind?

 

My kids go to school they dont attack Arab cars with rocks and dont stab ppl, who's that kid you are talking about ? what are the charges ?

Those kids themselves harm adults or other children that's why they get arrested, not to avenge the parents for whatever they did, are you aware that children as young as 12 stabbed Israelis during the October riots ?

What movie ?

 

We do learn the Torah at a young age and I never once asked you to make me some coffie, if I made you feel a less of a man than Im sorry that wasnt my intention - you are just as good dont let anyone tell you otherwise !!
Israelis travel and work abroad, we get turists, we have foriegn investments - none complained about the feeling you say Jews make you feel - that you worth less, I expect if they did they would talk about it and you would have a real source to share with us and not some misqoutes from IslmoNazi sites.

But, if I extract the poision in your post and make it real, what you say is teh Israeli society also has racists of religous nature and that's true, the diffrence is those racists do not control the state, they didnt during Rabin and even killed him for the peace process, they didnt during Barack or Olmert and they are not now even thou the right is very strong now, Hamas control half the Pal ppl that live in Gaza strip that's a whole diffrent case, and in this context our racists also dont send their kids to stab and kill Arabs.

The Nazis didnt give any choice to the Jews, the Pal had many oppertunitties to make peace and divide the land, now we just reached a stage we dont give a (*)(*)(*)(*) anymore if we do reach an agreement with them or not, that wasnt even in the agenda of the political parties in last elections, ppl dont care.

 

That's BS, the facts are the Israelis accepted the Arabs that accepted their state as citizens ,Pal pop increses at a very fast rate compared even to Arab countries and the Pal pop in the WB and Gaza in particular was never ever better economicly than between 1967 - 1987 till first Intifada - no Genocide, not performed and not intended.

Things that happened 50 years ago and 70 years ago did not scare the soul of a 13 y old, there is no Genocide and the vast majurity of the deaths among Palestinians come from attacking Israelis in some way and most Palestinians know that, what will cause a 13 y old that had only what ? 5 years of actual learning abilty to become full of irresistable muredrous suicidal hate is only the Jihad, all of them hate us but for a 13 y old to go out and kill and be killed is not normal even in indipendance wars.

Meanwhile we have war.