Israel comes under heavy rocket fire from Gaza, suspected terror infiltration

Fine, please send us a copy of the late great General Suleimani "How I defeated ISIS with no civilian casualties".

 

There is a difference between dropping a bomb where you believe there are no civilians and accidentally killing some, vs dropping a bomb where you know for a fact there are civilians, but you drop the bomb anyway. the second on is murder of civilians, and a war crime, and that is exactly was has occured over and over again in Israel.

 

To be accurate-- killing civilians is not automatically a war crime, even if the offender realizes that civilians will be killed by its actions. The decisive element, is PROPORTIONALITY, defined as the weighing of the military gain, coming from the action, against the degree of civilian deaths (and civilian property damage). While this is open to different, subjective appraisals, it is when the proportion of civilian casualties blatantly outweighs any military advantage conveyed, to any objective viewer-- or when non combatants or their infrastructure is the target-- that there is a war crime.



EDIT:
If you don't mind, Josh, I going to use this post for some general, BREAKING NEWS:

U.S. planes once again, today, carried out raids against targets in southern Syria.

 

Yeah. That's right. And it's good that you realize that.

 

In Syia and Iraq ISIS towns they dropped bombs knowing full well they had women captives, Assad dropped barrel bombs on his ppl. what Russia and Iran did is un-known due to the nature of these regimes.
the difference is Israel gave 3 weeks for "innocent" civilians to run south.

 

Now nobody cares about the holocaust. As soon as you talk about the Holocaust, they will instantly talk about Gaza.
By the way, have you noticed how dramatically Palestinian groups in the West Bank have become more active. From here, three major groups are striking the IDF at once: the al-Qassem Brigades, the al-Quds Brigades and the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades.
In particular, on November 7, an hours-long battle broke out on the northern outskirts of Tulkarm. The IDF did not comment on its losses.
Palestinian militants in the West Bank are well armed - they have a huge number of small arms, drones and homemade bombs. However, this equipment does not compare to the armament of the groups in the Gaza Strip: they have ATGMs, grenade launchers and probably even MANPADS.
Faced with militants in the Gaza Strip, the IDF is virtually bogged down, the American report U.S. Center for the Study of War and the Critical Threats Project states. Israeli troops are now trying to advance deep into the al-Shati refugee camp on the shores of the Mediterranean Sea.
At the same time, the IDF stated that it had allegedly already begun demining in Beit Hanoun. This statement raises doubts among American experts. After all, demining operations often take weeks and sometimes months. And Palestinian counterattacks will continue throughout that time.
The veracity of the Israeli data is questionable: allegedly, since the beginning of the ground invasion of Palestine, the IDF has lost only 33 soldiers killed. And this against the backdrop of such fierce fighting.
Military columnist Damien Cave writes in the New York Times that the IDF is unlikely to gain full military control of the Gaza Strip.
Hamas, which has ruled the region for 16 years, is powerfully entrenched in the enclave's political, economic and military life. Hamas has more than 40,000 fighters in its ranks, according to official figures. And this is more than the terrorist organization "Islamic State" had during the battle for Mosul in 2016, which lasted 8 months.
In addition, Hamas can draw reserves from the young, combat-ready Palestinian population, and enjoys international support (unlike the aforementioned "Islamic State").
John Spencer, head of urban warfare studies at the U.S. Military Academy's Modern Warfare Institute, says Israel has fought almost every war in its history against the clock, seeking to achieve its goals before international pressure forced it to halt operations. Here and now, Israel is not counting civilian casualties. Just as, for example, the Americans did during the battle for Fallujah in Iraq. The reason for the invasion of the city was the killing of 4 American soldiers, whose mutilated bodies were hung on a bridge as an admonition. After that, the American commanders, blinded by rage, launched an unprepared operation in Fallujah, which ended in failure and resulted in huge civilian casualties.

 

Kamala trying anything, quite frankly, should scare anyone with more than a single brain cell.

She's not qualified to manage the midnight shift at a Taco Bell drive-thru.

 

I'm intimately familiar with the incompetence and criminal malfeasance of the Obama era.

It's the only smart thing I've seen his administration do, but they're ****ing that up by sitting there doing nothing while Iran attacks our bases.

Weakness begets violence against you.

 

This will lead to outrage over targeting hospitals:

 

It's not a war crime.

The war crime is a government that is a terrorist group housing leaders in the middle of a civilian population.

Hamas is going bye-bye.

 

Not entirely true.

If civilian infrastructure is used for military purposes, it is no longer civilian infrastructure.

The war crime is committed by the side using hospitals and schools to launch attacks and operate from.

 

I hope so:

 

Could this be the basis for an eventual ceasefire:

 

How do you fight terrorist, by not fighting back?
You don't honestly believe that allowing terrorist to attack without attacking back is going to stop these terrorist. Do you?

 

You don't honestly believe that killing tens of thousands of innocents is going to do anything but make terrorists, do you? It doesn't ****ing work. It hasn't yet, and it never will. You might slow attacks down for a while, but the resentment and hate will build, and Israel will have another October 7th, then another. It is not like driving out a foreign invader.

Hamas has to go, for sure. but if Israel continues to kill thousands of civilians, Hamas will only be replaced by something worse.

 

I'll try and respond more later; for now I see your points but imo, in regard to why the rebuilding of Germany, Japan, and the US South were successful, it depended on 2 primary factors:

1. We completely disarmed their ability to resist us by force, and not only in that moment, but for any foreseeable future, and,

2. We took care to ensure we didn't keep our boot on their necks, after we gained their complete submission.

If I could, I would seek the same situation for Gaza, as it is the best chance to make Gaza thrive. There will never be peace without dismantling the ability of any group in Gaza to resist Israel by force. I don't care if Hamas operatives flee all over the world like the Nazis; let Israel hunt them down. But as with the Nazis, their ability to wage war, at least in Gaza, must be eliminated, and I think this is possible.

 

One quick point. The problem I see with dismantling the ability of groups like Hamas is the one I noted previously in my post above i.e. 'That there were no external polities with a vested interest and the capacity to undermine the rebuilding process' Disarmament of the Axis powers was part and parcel of the reconstruction post WW2 and it succeeded in large measure because no outside party was in a position to interfere, at least not at a cost they were prepared to pay (looking at you Joseph!). That's not the situation in Palestine. Currently there are external players who are more than willing to fund an ongoing insurgency against Israel. And compared to conventional military campaigns? Insurgencies are cheap.

 

Will a picture work for you?

Thats the difference.

 

You forgot to draw the bomb falling on the baby carriage.

 

I didn't draw Hamas beheading children and babies either. But you're cool with that.

 

Sure, stick that in there too. It would be a more accurate depiction of what is really going on. Both sides are ****ed up. There are no good guys in this conflict.

 

You also didn't draw a pic of Israelis drinking blood.

Anti semitic rhetoric should be condemned, the hatred for palestinians is a cancer among Americans it seems.

 

Yeah, they tend to hate cultures that rape, torture, and behead little children, take civilian hostages, suicide bombers on civilians, and hide behind women.
But since Putin supports Hamas, everyone knew the left would as well.

Maybe you should get familiar with the thousands of terrorist attacks by Hamas before you publicly support them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Terrorist_attacks_attributed_to_Palestinian_militant_groups

Heres a list of fringe left groups who do support Hamas terrorism

Democratic Socialists of America
Black Lives Matter
Party for Socialism and Liberation
World Workers Party
Black Alliance for Peace
The Red Nation

 

Can you provide us information where Israel conducted rape, torture, and behead little children, takes civilian hostages, suicide bombers on civilians, and hide behind women.
But since Putin supports Hamas, everyone knew the left would as well.

Maybe you should get familiar with the thousands of terrorist attacks by Hamas before you publicly support them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Terrorist_attacks_attributed_to_Palestinian_militant_groups

Feel free to show us where Israel conducts these activities.
I'll wait

 

which culture is that?