Israel comes under heavy rocket fire from Gaza, suspected terror infiltration

You seem to think that bombs, because the pilot does not have to look their enemy in the eye to do the act, somehow makes it morally better. In my mind, that makes it far worse. It allows the slaughter of large numbers of people without having to deal with the psychological damage such an act can do when you commit an act like that, allowing far greater atrocities to occur, as we are seeing now.

Bombings are worse than rape and beheading, due to the far greater impact in terms of lives lost. The rape and murder is just easier to get people riled up on TV, which is apparently what happened to you.

 

icannot find any credible information or evidence to support the claim that Hamas beheaded children. It's crucial to verify such serious allegations through reliable sources before sharing or believing them.

Thanks .

 

Really, how about these
Hamas firing rockets in Israel unprovoked
Hamas using armed paragliders to target and murder civilians
Hamas murdering children in the streets.
Hamas attacking and firing into civilian crowds.
Hamas taking civilian hostages

Or maybe you haven't heard of these. like everyone else on the planet has
HAMAS TERRORIST GROUPS
https://www.dni.gov/nctc/groups/hamas.html

The founding charter of Hamas mandates the killing of Jews, the destruction of the state of Israel, and advocates for the establishment of an Islamic state in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

Hamas is a terrorist group. Israel is not.
Hamas targets civilian's, Israel does not.
Hamas targets and murders children, Israel does not

Seems you know the difference, but support Hamas.

 

icannot find any credible information or evidence to support the claim that Hamas beheaded children. It's crucial to verify such serious allegations through reliable sources before sharing or believing them.

Do you apologize for spreading disinformation ?

 

You mean like this
Colonel Golan Vach, head of the military search and rescue service, told AFP he saw the body of a mother protecting a baby while searching debris at the Beeri kibbutz three days after the attacks.
"When I pulled it over I saw a decapitated baby. I took it up with my hands and I carried it, and I put it in the body bag. I personally did it," he said while on a media tour of another kibbutz organized by the military.
https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...r-says-he-found-baby-beheaded-in-hamas-attack

So you're upset that Hamas terrorist might be getting a bad wrap on beheadings.
But intentionally
targeting and murdering civilians,
taking civilian hostages,
torture, rape and other atrocities on civilians
250 civilians murdered at the music fest


So these are the terrorist you support?

ABC NEWS
The horror as Israeli authorities show footage of Hamas atrocities: Reporter's Notebook
Video was part of Israeli military's effort to document, publicize atrocities.
https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...ocities-reporters-notebook/story?id=104015431

ByMatt Gutman
October 16, 2023, 6:03 PM

The journalists were the first to watch a screening of an hour-long reel cobbled together from Hamas helmet cam, mobile phone video, surveillance video, dashboard camera video and victims' livestreams. It was part of the Israeli military's effort to document and call attention to the Oct. 7 atrocities, when the militant group Hamas launched an unprecedented attack on Israel from air, land and sea.

Militant group Hamas launched an unprecedented attack on Israel from air, land and sea. More than 1,400 people have died and 3,400 others have been injured in Israel, authorities said. In Gaza, at least 2,750 people have been killed in retaliatory strikes from Israel, and thousands more injured, according to the Palestinian Health Authority.

Then it shows three separate angles of motorists in Israel being flagged down, then gunned down -- the AK-47s puffing smoke -- on the road outside the Kfar Aza and Be'eri kibbutzim. Bodies are yanked out of cars.

A bullet-shuttered window of the entrance to a kindergarten is seen in Kibbutz Be'eri, Oct. 11, 2023.
Baz Ratner/AP
Then the video gets grisly. Other militants are busy mashing a dying man's face with their boots. Another pair screams "Allahu akbar" as they use a garden hoe to try to decapitate another man.

In another house, a gunman sticks the muzzle of his rifle into a room inhabited by a family. It's a mash of colors. In one, a terrorist is standing on an Israeli man's chest and shoots him point-blank in the face.

Then, the scenes of bloodied bedrooms start to blur. The rooms and the gore are the same -- it's how the bodies are arrayed in death that's different. There are so many children. Some are jam-packed together in a slippery mass of human flesh. Huge blood stains streak the tiles.

So many of the bodies are burnt. It was unclear if this was because they were set fire to or if it was from the grenade blasts. Other videos show Israeli first responders trying to put out the still-smoldering skeletal remains of victims -- with water bottles, as if watering a parched plant.
In another video, a grenade was apparently tossed into one of the bomb shelters that line the roads in southern Israel. It was filled with partygoers who'd left the Supernova music festival. The camera shows a flash of limbs, some dismembered, some still attached to writhing, screaming bodies. A selfie camera shows a young man weeping, while someone croaks hoarsely in the background, "help, help." Hamas then drags survivors out, some by their hair, to trucks, and then batters them some more in the backs of the pickups on the way to Gaza.

Forensic images show bodies burned in cars, on beds, on the streets and in the fields in various states of incineration.
There's a video from inside Israel's main base bordering Gaza. A group of about 20 young Israel women in pajamas cower in an outdoor concrete duck-and-cover. The female soldiers are unarmed and are screaming at the sound of the bullets and the explosions. Then, at one point, the girl shooting the selfie video sees an armed man on the far side of the shelter. She asks, "Who is that man?" He's a Hamas fighter, calmly standing there. Then the video ends.

Hamas attacks progressed inside the base. They shoot up an office. Soldiers squirm and try to fight; they're shot, too. The attackers grab two M4s.

Outside, soldiers are decapitated. Otherwise, the bodies seem untouched. The heads were not in the images.

I asked how many weapons and Israel Defense Forces uniforms Hamas managed to make off with; the senior official would not say. I asked if it would hamper the fight and risk friendly fire; he said it wouldn't. But one cannot help but think that's not true -- men armed with Israeli weapons, in Israeli uniforms fighting in the street could indeed wreak havoc.

 

The mud slinging from both sides is disgraceful. As a chat forum we should be discussing ways in which to end the conflict, as you are doing. To offer solutions.

No side is right or wrong, good or evil per se. Israeli children are being born into a society they had no control over. It's time for reason and logic. Blaming hamas is not right because as we have seen with Israeli invasion of Gaza and it's actions in west bank, they are far from the innocent party.

We need a ceasefire immediately. More dialogue in this moment, otherwise the entire of Gaza is going to be dead or fleeing to Africa.

Ceasefire now! Enough death. Where is the humanity in anybody in Israel!

 

Yet you conveniently ignore the videos Hamas has released.
How is it you are the only person on the planet that doesn't know Hamas used paragliders to attack rave goers or know of the videos they released?
Sad really

 

Lol, the world has gone mad when calling for peace and a cease fire is considered "hate speech".

 

No, actual hate speech is hate speech.

 

There are 50-60 thousand Hamas and Jihad armed terrorists, just because Hamas said the IDF hits only civilians doesn't make it so, I reject this claim of "tens of thousands of innocents" as Hamas propaganda.

But, to your general approach of waging such war, you can't compare US wars at the other side of the world for some ideal to Israel fight on its own land, we dont need to cross oceans or justify this war to our ppl.
It will take years to uproot the Jihad from Gaza, so happens we intend to be here for many more years to come.

 

Reject it all you want. I don't believe you, and it is obvious you are biased against the Palestinians. I have no bias between either of them. I find Palestinians and Jews to both be wonderful peoples, both lead by those who do not care about preserving civilian lives as long as they achieve their political goals.
Like I've said earlier, I was fully behind the Israelis defending themselves from Hamas, until it became obvious that killing a few terrorists at the expense of thousands of civilians was acceptable to them. And yes I absolutely can compare them. Human life is human life, whether it is next door or not. Like it or not, the Israeli government is responsible for the care and well being of the Palestinian people, especially now. And they are failing in their duty, miserably.

 

If Hamas were more focused on keeping the civilian population safe maybe the number of deaths wouldn't be so High. Those tunnels were not made to be used as bomb shelters by those civilians.

 

Who is responsible for the humanitarian crisis:

 

I clicked on the link. This heart-wrenching story is obviously destined for those who have'nt the slightest idea about Gaza.

I was able read the first paragraphs, until my poor eyes - and my poor, poor brain - refused to continue being subjected to more lies.

From the article:
“The tragic reality for children is that they are hiding to survive the bombing, mourning dead parents and siblings, fleeing with their families, or collecting firewood to keep warm instead of playing or going to school."

Collecting firewood to keep warm? Seriously?

It was a very hot autumn in Israel and Gaza, and the winter is still hot. Temperatures during the day are above 68°F (20°C). Firewood to keep warm? Pfftt.

The rest is true for Israeli children as well, but shhhh! don't tell that to the world.

 

They don't need firewood during the day, but when temperatures drop below 50-55F at night, in areas which don't have standing structures (much less insulation) to lessen the chill factor from the windy breeze and cold, a little firewood fire does help some of the kids get much needed rest.

Kids are kids and they absolutely don't deserve what is happening to them in Gaza.









Even before Oct 7

 

Just curious
Do you hold Hamas accountable for knowingly targeting civilians in their initial attacks
Do you hold Hamas accountable for taking civilian hostages including children
Do you hold Hamas accountable for executing civilians (including children) in the street
Do you hold Palestinians accountable for turning over escaped hostages to Hamas
Do you hold Palestinians accountable for allowing Hamas to hide among them
Do you hold Palestinians accountable for allowing Hamas to build tunnels under their streets to hide hostages

 

It's not that cold at night. I live in Israel, remember?

They have blankets and tents courtesy of the international community.

 

There is still no video of the mass rapes, beheadings or killing of children. Just admit it, you fell for the Israeli lies that the hasbara regurgitates.

 

Yes
Yes
Yes
No more so than I hold Israeli citizens accountable for the slaughter of innocent Palestinians.
No more so than I hold Israeli citizens accountable for allowing IDF Soldiers to live among them.
No more so than I hold Israeli citizens accountable for the actions the IDF takes that gets Palestinian civilians killed.

Your questions make no sense to me. It's kind of like asking when a US drone strike kills innocents at a wedding, should I hold some average joe on the street accountable? Of course not, beyond the fact that they may have voted for the person that authorized the strike. But in the case of Palestine, not only are they being directly oppressed by Israel, but the vast majority of the population was either not alive or was not old enough to vote when Hamas was elected.

Do you hold Israeli citizens accountable for all of the death and carnage Bibi and the IDF are causing?

 

1) Israel does NOT start conflicts, Hamas does
2) Israel does NOT target civilians, Hamas does
3) If Hamas does NOT start the conflict, NO civilians die
4) If Hamas does NOT hide among civlians, NO civilians die
Hamas is guilty of every casualty on both sides of the conflict. It is wrong an evil to blame Israel.

 

Slaughtering? Please. Israel even warns civilians to leave the areas. Give me a break. Who convinced you that the IDF is targeting and slaughtering civilians.

IDF aren't terrorist targeting civilians and executing them in the street or taking civilians and children hostage. Apparently you don't know the difference

THats not IDF, thats hamas
You have a lot to learn about the differences between Hamas and the IDF. I suggest you stop listening to what ever fake information source is giving you these BS claims about Israel.

 

Yes, we know you stand with Hamas and you think they aren't terrorist and they never attacked civilians at the rave.
Whats it like to feel like this

 

Israel is not made up of saints, contrary to your belief. They are human like everyone else.
1) Israel struck first in the 6 day war.
2) Israel is literally targeting places it knows has civilians every day, so yes, yes they do target civilians.
3) Israel has killed hundreds of Palestinian civilians every year.
4) Civilians have no say in what Hamas does or doesn't do.

There are no "good guys" in this conflict. As for evil, there is plenty of that occurring on both sides every day. Apparently, it is in the eye of the beholder where the evil is.

 

What is your point?

Yea, Israelis are not saint. Protecting Israeli when all her neighbor wants nothing but “wipe them off” is never going to be achieved by being saint.

 

What we do know is that the Israeli diaper force massacred hundreds of Israeli civilians and hamas militants on Oct 7. How do you feel about this massacre now?