Israel Destroys and Steals More Land in West Bank

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    Unfortunately, all three identities are under Israel's thumb. Particularly the US has become a complete slave nation. Here is the almost heart-wrenching awakening of one thinking American:

    http://thetruthshall.com/WhoGetsTheTitle.htm
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    In my opinion they deserve what they are getting, since they have meted out worse to other countries, one of which has been Germany! But... realizing how much brainwashing they have endured, I could forgive them, especially the younger generations.

    The present situation in the US is very similar to the situation of Germany's Weimar Republic years following WWI, when the foreign elites took over.

    Read and look and listen here, which is not for the shallow minded posters:

    https://christiansfortruth.com/how-...rmany-ensured-the-rise-of-national-socialism/

    Comments from readers:
    a)
    wow, talk about a powerful article! thanks for sharing and it makes me realize that the “Allies” were just Zionist puppets!
    b)
    FANTASTIC truth bomb that needs to be read by many Americans, b/c there isn’t much time left.
    c)
    Even as watered down as mainstream churchianity has become in America, Christianity will never be defeated here. It WILL be recognized as the only hope for our people.

    Enjoy!
     
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    You think the United States, a nation of 330 million has become a slave to Israel a nation of what one twentieth of that number?

    Utterly ridiculous.
     
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    Thank you for your very thorough and informative comment.

    You seem to take issue with my contention that the Israeli Occupation of Palestinian land is the oldest and most brutal foreign funded Occupation in modern history.

    You are right in that the term "modern history" can mean different things to different people. To be more specific, I mean the 20th and 21st century which is roughly the time period during which Zionist machinations in Palestine have been most active.

    You are also right in that there have been occupations that have claimed a greater number of lives since 1900 however the operative phrase in my assessment is "foreign funded".

    I hope you will agree that without British Colonial meddling, the German construction of Israel's initial infrastructure and donation of critical military supplies(1), (2) along with extortion of America's $ Trillions(3) by Israeli lobbies, Israel's ability steal from, massacre and persecute Palestine's native residents would not have been possible.

    Additionally, the ability of Israeli lobbies to extort $ Trillions and unlimited military aid from gullible and/or apathetic US taxpayers has made it so that Israel has absolutely no incentive to make peace with Palestine's native residents. The militant right Wing Israeli extremists have been able to flourish because they know that they will be rewarded with unlimited aid regardless of their human rights abuses, War Crimes and violations of international law.

    While there have, indeed, been other foreign funded occupations, no other state has been able to extract so much from so many to the point that it has achieved regional hegemony, the world's largest illegal nuclear arsenal, the ability to torment its neighbors with impunity (Lebanon, Syria, Iraq etc) and the ability to subjugate its native populace all largely via "foreign aid".

    Finally, can you think of another nation that has extracted so much from so many and yet remains so utterly thankless toward its main benefactor?

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html

    Thanks,






    (1) “The Reparations Agreement of 1952 and the response in Israel”
    http://web.nli.org.il/sites/NLI/Engl...Agreement.aspx

    EXCERPT “As part of the reparations, many goods reached Israel which helped the state economy to stabilize over the years. For example, Israel received new-fangled German-manufactured trains, which were operated for a number of years by the Israel Railways”CONTINUED



    (2) “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
    http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/

    EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.

    In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED


    (3) "The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion"
    https://www.wrmea.org/003-june/the-...israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

    By Thomas R. Stauffer

    EXCERPT "Similarly, aid to Israel—and thus the regional total—also is understated, since much is outside of the foreign aid appropriation process or implicit in other programs. Support for Israel comes to $1.8 trillion, including special trade advantages, preferential contracts, or aid buried in other accounts. In addition to the financial outlay, U.S. aid to Israel costs some 275,000 American jobs each year."CONTINUED
     
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    National population differences have nothing to do with the ability of Israel's lobbies to dominate US Mid-East policy.

    It's primarily the 100+ Israeli lobbies, Christian Zionists and professionally deceived, gullible(1) and/or traitorous Israel Firsters who pressure Washington to do the bidding of Israel's thankless Right Wing regime.

    What other country has managed to extort $ Trillions from America, gotten young Americans to die fighting its wars(2) and repeatedly betrayed America with impunity beginning with the Lavon Affair in the 1950s and up until stealing America secrets and selling them to China(3)?

    At least Netanyahu described the true nature of the Israel - US "alliance" when he said the following:

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html

    No loyal American can knowingly support such a treacherous, parasitic and back stabbing regime that has so clearly proven to be America's most insidious adversary.




    (1) "WHAT DO ISRAELIS THINK ABOUT AMERICANS? START WITH DISDAIN"
    http://forward.com/news/israel/216074/what-do-israelis-think-about-americans-start-with/

    EXCERPT " Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.

    “Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,” said David Lifshitz, the lead writer for the Israeli comedy show “Eretz Nehederet,” or “Wonderful Land.”

    “Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”

    But it’s not just American tourists whom many Israelis see as guileless. American foreign policy is held up to similar scrutiny here, even as Israel receives billions of dollars in foreign aid from the United States each year.

    The naivete Israelis perceive in Americans is not just something they believe only Israel’s adversaries exploit; Israelis believe they can do so, too — and do. In a secretly recorded video of a 2001 discussion with a group of terror victims in the Ofra settlement in the Israeli occupied West Bank, now-Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu laid out this widely held perception.

    “I know what America is,” Netanyahu, told the settlers. “America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction. CONTINUED



    (2) “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”

    AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003


    (3) "Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military Technology to China"
    https://www.military.com/defensetec...srael-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china

    EXCERPT "Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.

    In the early 1990s then-CIA Director James Woolsey told a Senate Government Affairs Committee that Israel had been selling U.S. secrets to China for about a decade.

    More than 12 years ago the U.S. demanded Israel cancel a contract to supply China with Python III missiles, which included technology developed by the U.S. for its Sidewinder missiles, The Associated Press reported in 2002."CONTINUED
     
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    As one who has decided to boycott any person who has racist hatred against others because of their religion including Holocaust denial, I will not respond to anyone who knows he is like that. I am happy and encouraged that Arab countries have realized that the problem in the Middle East is the Palestinian wall of lies and not the State of Israel. Some Arab countries have signed peace agreements and relations between Israel and others are heating up.
    Justice will win.
    Inshallah
     
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    RE: Israel Destroys and Steals More Land in West Bank
    ⁜→ Grau, et al,

    (PREFACE)

    There is no question at all that you have raised a couple of interesting points in your posting. I encourage everyone to render the commentary by our friend "Grau" (member: 69782) their attention.

    BLUF: • I agree, that in any long-term civil/military administration, there will be issues over which a clash between the administration and those governed is inevitable. I do not agree that the civil/military administration oldest or most brutal. And I think we agree here. The focus then is on the issue of: "foreign-funding" and the associated political-military (POLMIL) "entanglements."

    (COMMENT)

    I will agree that the monetary contributions and investments made in the "territory formerly under the Mandate for Palestine" are many and varied. Yes, I would have to be deaf, dumb, and blind not to acknowledge that. But there are times when a Seeing-eye Dog is helpful.

    ◈ British Colonial meddling: The Empires of Great Britain, France and Russia composed Major Allied powers in World War I (Treaty of London • 5 Sept 1914). By the end of the Great War, the complexion had changed with the formulation of the Supreme Council of the Principal Allied Power → composed of Great Britain, France, Japan, and Italy [San Remo Conference (18-26 April 1920)]. By wars end, four great empires had fallen (Ottoman Empire, Australia-Hungary Empire, Imperial State of Germany, and Russian Empire). There was no specific "meddling" by the British. One of the main topics on the agenda of the San Remo Conference was the disposition of renounced territory by Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic. It was NOT meddling by the British Empire, but the rather a set of decision put in place by the Supreme Council of the Principal Allied Power (again NOT just Great Britain).

    "Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. The mandatory Power now proposed “the establishment of an Arab Agency in Palestine which will occupy a position exactly analogous to that accorded to the Jewish Agency”. The Arab Agency would have the right to be consulted on all matters relating to immigration, on which it was recognised that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration”. The Arab leaders declined that this offer on the ground that it would not satisfy the aspirations of the Arab people. They added that, never having recognised the status of the Jewish Agency, they had no desire for the establishment of an Arab Agency on the same basis.

    • “The British Government desired to establish a self-government in Palestine, but to proceed in this direction by stages…. It had been announced that the nominated Advisory Council was to be the first stage. The second stage would have been a Legislative Council without an Arab majority. If this worked satisfactorily, the third stage, after a lapse of perhaps same years, would have been a constitution on more democratic lines.”
    In practice it proved impossible even to initiate this policy of gradual constitutional development. From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials."

    The text of this resolution was communicated by the Secretary-General on 9 January [1948] to the Government of the United Kingdom, as the Mandatory Power, to the Arab Higher Committee, and to the Jewish Agency for Palestine. The invitation extended by the resolution was promptly accepted by the Government of the United Kingdom and by the Jewish Agency for Palestine, both of which designated representatives to assist the commission. The representative designated by the Government of the United Kingdom was Sir Alexander Cadogan. The representative designated by the Jewish Agency for Palestine was Mr. Moshe Shertok. As regards the Arab Higher Committee, the following telegraphic response was received by the Secretary-General on 19 January [1948]:
    No further communication has been addressed to or received from the Arab Higher Committee by the Commission. The Commission will, at the appropriate time, set forth in a separate document its views with regard to the implementations of this refusal by the Arab Higher Committee.​

    The seeds of the outcome and dismay that the Arab Palestinians exhibit today are NOT simply the fault of the British, American, or Jewish parties involved. The Arab Palestinians owe much of the situation it endures today to the various Arab components.

    (COMMENT)

    It is very important to point out that the disputed territories of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip were "occupied" by the Arab League from 1948 to 1967 (≈ 19-20 years). In fact, the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan (so says Jordan):

    On April 11, 1950, elections were held for a new Jordanian parliament in which the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank were equally represented. Thirteen days later, Parliament unanimously approved a motion to unite the two banks of the Jordan River, constitutionally expanding the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in order to safeguard what was left of the Arab territory of Palestine from further Zionist expansion.​

    From 1949 until 1967, the Gaza Strip was a Military Governorship of Egypt. While there was a puppet regime called the "All Palestine Government" (APG) it had no real functioning government. And in 1959, after a decade of failure to gain political traction, the Egyptians disbanded the APG. In 2005, the Israelis unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip leaving it to its own devices.

    In both cases, the disputed territories received support from the British Mandatory, then the Arab League.

    Iran has agreed to massively increase its monthly payments to Palestinian terror group Hamas in exchange for intelligence on Israeli missile capabilities, an Israeli television network reported Monday.

    The Islamic Republic is a longtime financial supporter of Hamas, the terror organization that rules the Gaza Strip and is committed to Israel’s destruction.


    In a recent meeting in Tehran between nine senior Hamas officials and Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Tehran expressed willingness to raise its monthly financial backing to the terror group to an unprecedented $30 million per month, Channel 12 reported, citing an unnamed Arab source.

    I do acknowledge that the US has provided more aid of various types (FMS/Direct Sales/Grants and loans) across a wide spectrum of project foci. (Defense, Agricultural, Medical, etc) You may recall that the US put a very high priority on the location and destruction of mobile SCUD launch sites from Iraq. The US provided a picket-line of C-RAM (Counter-Rocket and Mortar) Alert devices for incoming, and then (later) Patriot Air Defense systems to intercept Iraqi launches; the purpose of which was to incite a military response from Israel to draw the Arab League into the conflict - widening the war under the guise of a demonstrated Christian-Jewish vs Muslim Conflict.

    Until 2009, the Israels provided more intelligence and security assistance than the entire remainder of the Middle East North African (MENA) Region combined.

    (COMMENT)

    Let there be no mistake, the US works in its own best interest (the interests of the American People). In 1973 (just after the failed Yom Kipper was Surprize Attack on Israel), the US was held hostage by the Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) oil embargo for the very reason the Arab Palestinians complain about the US today. The US provides tactical military aid and technical military support to Israel → designed to give “qualitative military edge” (QME) over ANY regional adversaries and other opposing forces. Right now, the freedom of navigation (FON) through the Strait of Hormuz (the chock point in which ≈20% of the world's oil transits) and Persian Gulf are protected by a flotilla from the US Navy’s 5th Fleet, based in Bahrain, centered upon a Ohio Class nuclear-powered guided-missile submarine, and a US Attack Carrier always close by. Everyone knows this. But what they may not realize is that there is an estimated 122 trillion cubic feet of undiscovered, recoverable natural gas and an estimated 1.7 billion barrels of undiscovered oil, that can be recovered with existing technology in Levant Basin Province in the eastern Mediterranean region, much of which is in the Israeli Exclusive Economic Zone EEZ. With as much as 75%-80% of Israeli’s commerce carried by sea and its offshore gas fields Israel is boosting spending on protecting its shipping lanes, littorals and ports with an array of weapons including underwater capabilities, heavily armed patrol boats and new submarines. Israel may become a major provider of clean natural gas in the Mediterranean trying its interest to that of NATO Nations. The NATO nations see this, even if the American public misses it.

    (NUCLEAR CAPABILITY)

    Almost ALL of the shakey evidence on the status of Israeli nuclear weapons capacity is about a half-century old. The processes by which much of the world based the findings of Iraq's weapons capability simply is extremely faulty and unreliable. The same information keeps popping up over and over again. It is the same information thought to be true during my Vietnam days, and there is virtually no new collaborating information since.

    Secondly, it is NOT - I repeat - It is NOT - illegal for Israel to maintain a nuclear weapons capability. Israel is not now, nor has it ever been, a state party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). I've heard many, many people say this, and I simply don't know where it comes from. (CHECK STATUS) || (TEXT of TREATY)

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    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    Oh, sure. Palestinians are to blame for being ethnicly cleannsed by a foreign power that rules them by foreiging military government in which they have no representation.

    The issue has been the theft of land. Israelis didn't steal the high ground. They stole the valley bottoms first, including thin strips along the Jordan river.

    There is NO POSSIBILITY of seeing that as anything BUT theft of land.

    And, their political solution is pure apartheid.

    So RoccoR, let's move back to a rational examination of what is happening TODAY.

    Sitting back and attempting to defend this ongoing humanitarian atrocity is NOT something ANYONE should be taking part in.
     
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    You pitch moing away from hate, then you pitch hate based on ethnicity. Wow!

    There is NO legitimate justification for the humanitarian atrocity being perpetrated by Israel over the last couple decades.
     
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    Those who want to forgive Israel's atrocity by comparing it to worse atrocities are just plain morally deprecated. They should be TOTALLY disqualified on this issue.

    Being "better" is absolutely NOT an excuse.

    Implementing ethnic cleansing is NOT excusable on the grounds that it isn't genocide.

    Israel's apartheid is NOT excusable on the grounds that it isn't so harshly implement as it was in South Africa.

    Israel's implementation of foreign military rule enforced by mercenaries and with ZERO representation isn't somehow better because of, well, China or whatever.

    What IS going on in Palestine at the hands of Israel is ABSOLUTELY NOT acceptable. PERIOD. There is NO set of principles in this moder eran that could possibley allow for Israel's atrocity.
     
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    With a couple of rare exceptions, none of what @Grau posted in this thread is true.
     
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    Sure it is. In the real world, severity matters.
     
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    That's total BS when it's already absolutely and totally NOT acceptable, when it breaks ANY level of morality, when it is counter to the most fundamental rights our founders believed were REQUIRED for every human being.

    You can't go that low and then claim, "Gee, it could be worse." as if THAT is an excuse.

    The US held a revolution when King George was nowhere near as bad as Isreal. We got killed in droves. We were kicked all over the east coast until an outside power decided to help us. We would NEVER have given up.

    This all maeks me wonder what the HELL you think America stands for, what we hold as fundamental beliefs.
     
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    Wrong. There were several times during the American Revolution where Americans came close to simply giving up.

    Yes, severity matters. Shooting someone three times in the head is infinitely worse than shooting them once in the foot. Even though both are potentially lethal.
     
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    While the world fights Covid-19 the Islamo Jihado Arabos continue to do one thing ... Put the Palestinians in the center of the world as the most important matter and present Israel as the bad guy.
    So many are fed up with it.
    When will we read about an Arab who invented a cure ? All we read is about more and more Arabs killing other Arabs in Yemen, Syria, Iraq etc..
     
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    I've asked several times how exactly does Israel implement ethnic cleansing. I want names and dates - names of towns and villages, names of people allegedly ethnic cleansed, when did the alleged ethnic cleansing occur - and I also want to know what happened to those allegedly ethnic cleansed. I've never received an answer. Well?

    I've asked you before why do you think Israel employs mercenaries. Didn't get an answer. Well?

    On topic: I've noticed that nobody on this thread, even the pro-Israel posters, didn't bother to check the story in the OP. I wonder why. Seems like there's a consensus that Israel does bad things to Palestinians, because a ) Zionists are monsters according to pro-Palestinian posters, or b ) Palestinians are monsters according to pro-Israel posters (I'm exaggerating on purpose, to make my point crystal clear).

    Sorry, my pro-Israel friends, but attempting to defend the indefensible isn't the best way to protect a friend, so let's first check out if what Israel has done is indeed the atrocity claimed in the OP.

    Humsa al Bqai'a is not - never was - a village. It's a temporary settlement of semi-nomadic Bedouins. Google Earth shows that the settlement didn't exist in 2010, and it was very small in 2016, barely visible.

    Two words in the article linked in the OP destroy the whole "bad Israel dismantle Palestinian villages" narrative: solar panels. This is the very last thing Bedouins wandering off with their herds in search of pastures would carry around. How do I know the people in Humsa al Bqai'a are semi-nomadic Bedouins? The Norwegian Refugee Council told me so. The same source also tells me that the European Union is illegally trying to settle semi-nomadic Bedouins in Israeli-controlled area C, using the dismantling of those illegal structures by Israel as a tool for aggressive anti-Israel propaganda.

    https://www.nrc.no/news/2021/februa...edouins-seizes-their-tents-in-humsa-al-bqaia/

    The anti-Israel spin visible throughout the article can't hide the simple, basic facts - those are semi-nomadic Bedouins living in temporary settlements in tents. They would be left alone by Israel, if not for the EU funded efforts to create more non-Jewish illegal settlements in the Israeli-controlled area (international law, anyone?). Even the quoted article states that Israel only confiscated, or dismantled, the tents and other equipment donated by foreign organizations and governments. Google Earth shows that the small Bedouin settlement at Humsa al Bqai'a is still there today.
     
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    I assume you are primarily talking about my Post #29 in which I criticized America's infestation of parasitic Israeli lobbies and America's disloyal gaggle of Israel Firsters.

    If what I have said and supported with credible sources were not true, it should be easy enough to refute whatever I wrote.

    However since you cannot, what I have written must be true.

    All loyal Americans should know and remember that Netanyahu accurately summed up the true nature of the US - Israeli "alliance":

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html
     
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    That's why I provided the link where the quote can be found.
    Briefly put, Netanyahu said those words to another hero of America's Israel Firsters, Jonathan Pollard.

    What part of: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away” is unclear to you?
     
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    Wayne Madsen wrote that an anonymous somebody overheard Netanyahu saying those words to his entourage during a visit to US. Madsen doesn't explain though why would Netanyahu say such words in close proximity to Americans on US soil. But Wayne Madsen also believes that Netanyahu started the birther movement, that Obama is gay, and that 9/11 was the result of a conspiracy involving Bush and the Saudis (he later added Israel to the mix). Even the Guardian doesn't want to publish his conspiracy theories.

    https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Wayne_Madsen#Reporting_and_opinions
    https://www.poynter.org/reporting-e...rope-based-on-wayne-madsen-conspiracy-theory/

    Useless, full stop.
     
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    Wayne Madsen is not the author of the quote which can be found at many other sources(*).

    The C.I.A. overheard Netanyahu say: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away” during one of his meetings with another hero of America's Israel Firsters in 2002

    (*) “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.”
    — Benjamin Netanyahu
    https://quotefancy.com/quote/134247...an-out-of-the-United-States-it-can-dry-up-and
     
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    useless without context
     
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    Your link provided no context. And if Netanyahu was saying that to a person imprisoned by the United States you can understand why he would make such a statement and why it wouldn't be true.
     
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    The source for the alleged quote is an article written by Masden. According to the article, it wasn't the CIA, but an unnamed ex-CIA agent. And, as @Dayton3 noticed, there's absolutely no context.
     
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    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    This is a tactic of the haulocaust deniers.

    You really need to be WAY better than that.

    How about this? Allow Palestine to have a vote on ONE government that covers the Palestine recognized as an observer state by the UN.

    And, get the mercernaries ruling Palestinians by Israeli military law the HELL out of Palestine.
     
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    Why should the Palestinians get to determine who controls the territory that was lost to Israel fighting a defensive war?

    Israel has offered the Palestinians more territory for a country than they ever deserved.
     
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