Israeli Cabinet Unanimously Rejects Kerry's Temporary Truce Proposal.....

They guaranteed nothing besides the influx of several millions of so called Palestinian refugees into Israel proper and absurd indefensible borders, in other words Israel's demographic and military suicide. In return they didn't even promise to rein in Hamas and others, just a vague promise of considering normalizing relationships, whatever that means...

it was an unacceptable ultimatum, a joke, a pr stunt, not a legitimate offer. Israel was to make every imaginable concession, they were not going to take on a single responsibility or commitment.

 

Israel's foremost Israeli military historian says the West Bank as a buffer is a joke and an excuse.. I missile will cross that territory in seconds.

 

and Israel's 500 military experts, scientists and politicians disagree. Besides the right of return is a non-starter all by itself as it turns Israel into a 24th arab state. You are not fooling anyone.

 

That's true; Israel would no more be a Jewish nation. However, Israel, with its backing, could easily compensate those displaced Palestians like Germany does to the Holocaust victims. Money solve most problems, isn't it?

You know, after WWII Churchill was revealed as a bad politician. He was only any good as there was war. With happy, rich compensating people, the "palestinian' legendary lust for underdog war" will soon diseappear, and less extremist leaders will eventually come to power. People like Hanan Ashrawi, maybe.

A demilitarized zone enforced by a UN Peaceforce should also help. But even then, expect the occasional crime, mostly from fringe groups or individuals, to last at a low intensity for a couple of generations, from one side or another. There were too many bad seeds sown.

 

True Victor, compensation in lieu of the right of return of the refugees would be a viable offer. That's why it was NOT offered as a possibility by the non-negotiable ultimatum. It included the right of every arab pseudo refugee to move to Israel only, no alternative, and arabs know very well how to make/force/convince arabs to exercise this right. Israel would live under Sharia law within 5 years of accepting this "incredibly generous arab peace offer".

 

and let me ask you this if you don't mind. Who is going to compensate 3 million Jewish refugees from the arab land? You know that one million Jews were kicked out of their homes and countries in the Arab world with merely a shirt on their back for no fault of theirs, don't you? They and their descendants make up half of Israel's population now... Do you think they are less entitled to compensation that the Arabs?

 

They don't have to agree on the first offer they get and on every points... When you have an entente of principles it's only along some big lines. The rest comes from negociation. The Arabs, like the mercantile people they are, will not reveal their final offer before the negociations even begins and you can be sure the Jews (not bad negociators themselves) will do likewise.

All that is neede for that is to put some cold-headed, well-intentioned people from both sides around a table. Not the usual extremists, who are just seeking for a way to derail the processus, rightly or not.

Of course Israel could never accept so many Palestinian citizens. I think the whole world can understand that.

 

3 million? The number gets bigger every year.

The Arab Jews would still be in place if not for European Zionism.

In fact if you look at the reality the Arab Jews left in dribs and drabs in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973.. There was NO mass Exodus ... just a slow out pouring with every Israeli aggression.

 

Update: Hamas has called for a 12 hr Ceasefire tomorrow. Starting 8am.


Hamas, which controls the 32-mile-long Palestinian homeland, announced Friday it will cease fire for 12 hours Saturday. The Israeli military later confirmed it will observe a 12-hour humanitarian cease-fire in Gaza will start Saturday morning.

The Israeli military said in a statement the lull will start at 8 a.m. local time Saturday and end at 8 p.m. local time. The statement warns that the military "shall respond if terrorists choose to exploit" the lull to attack Israeli troops "or fire at Israeli civilians." It also says that "operational activities to locate and neutralize tunnels in the Gaza Strip will continue."

A Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri, said earlier Friday that the group had agreed to a 12-hour lull, starting at 8 a.m. local time Saturday.

The ceasefire was negotiated by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, who said this before leaving Cairo Friday night: "The whole world is watching a tragic moment after tragic moment unfold and wondering when is everybody going to come to their senses?".....snip~

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-reportedly-agree-to-12-hour-truce/


U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry sits in a service hallway of a hotel in Cairo, Egypt, as he speaks with Qatar's Foreign Minister Khaled al-Attiyah on the phone about terms of a cease-fire in fighting in Gaza between Israel and Hamas, Friday, July 25, 2014, during a break in his meetings with Egypt's Foreign Minister Sameh Shukri and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon


Now they are saying Kerry brokered this ceasefire. Naturally going thru Qatar and Egypt as well as whoever else.

 

Yes, certainly - but at least, these Jews didn't have to live in internment camps forever after. Also, yes, violence and pressure have been made on some jews to leave on the eve of Israel's birth - but there are still a strong Jewish presence in all of these nations nonetheless (there's a lot in Egypt and Iran), and they're not otracized nor doing so bad, which, as events unfold in Gaza, speaks for a lot more tolerance from Arabs than they have credit for in the occident.

So yes, they should be compensated, if at a lesser degree. My humble opinion, of course.

 

Whether you agree or disagree with the concept of Zionism, the arab jews had nothing to do with it, they were persecuted and kicked out of their countries based on pure simple old-fashined antisemitism, they suffered because they were jews, they were exiled because of what other jews half the world away allegedly did.

Duh, Margot, what an excuse you've come up with.Thanks for proving beyond any doubt that jews need a country of their own...or god forbid some country does not like what Jews half the world away do.

In fact they are more entitled to the status of refugees then their Arab counterparts. The Arabs in Israel declared war on Israel and vowed to wipe it off the map. The Jews in the arab world did not do anything.

 

Oh right, Israel should be penalized for resettling fellow refugee jews and Arabs should be rewarded for keeping their Palestinian brethren in internment camps for almost a century. Thanks Victor, I would never have reached such a logical conclusion without your help.

Get real, violence and pressure was in reality pogroms, persecutions and deadly threats and in most cases they were just kicked out of their homes and countries, their posessions stolen, their citizenship revoked.

PS there is no jewish presence in the arab world, the number of jews is close to zero. The only "large" jewish community of about 25,000 still exists in Iran and it's 10% of what it was half a century ago

 

Wait a minute there, bud - You are getting dishonest here. And you think me a fool. Do so at your own risk.

First, I never wrote anything of the sort.
Second, have you heard of the One Million Plan? How much of these "expulsions" were actually more "pull factor" from Israel than "push-factor" from the Arab nations? It didn't happened forthnight like in the Palestinians'case, but between 1947 and the mid-seventies. Some of those Jews had waaayy more than the shirts on their backs. Let's not get hysterical here.

Only those of these Jews that were un-justly expelled should be compensated, hence, "to a lesser degree".

In any case those that stayed wherever they are, are actually doing fine. They'll even outlast Israel, eventually.

 

Israel's military has agreed to a 12-hour humanitarian truce on fighting militants in Gaza, after an earlier bid on Friday by the U.S. secretary of state to broker a weeklong ceasefire did not succeed. A spokeswoman with the Israeli military told the Reuters news agency the brief truce would begin at 8 a.m. Israeli time, and that troops would use the time to search tunnels used by militants. She warned that the military would "respond if terrorists choose to exploit this time to attack Israel Defence Forces personnel or fire at Israeli civilians." The break in fighting comes after U.S. State John Kerry said Friday in Cairo that he is continuing to work on reaching a deal between Israel and Hamas to call a seven-day humanitarian truce in fighting that has killed more than 820 Palestinians and 38 people in Israel. Speaking alongside the UN secretary general and the Egyptian foreign minister, Kerry insisted that there was a general agreement on the "concept" of a truce but that both sides had concerns over details of carrying it out. "Gaps have been significantly narrowed," he said. "It can be achieved, if we work through some of the issues that are important for the parties."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-conflict-israel-agrees-to-12-hour-ceasefire-1.2717666

 

Well, if I do, it's due to your short but colorful posting history You are getting smarter though LOL

Yeah, right, Ben Gurion wanting jews to move to Israel does not make Ben Gurion responsible for the Holocaust, Muslim persecution of Jews and all other cases of Jew-hatred world-wide.

Read Victor and weep and educate yourself if you don't want to be thought as a fool


1,000,000 Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Muslim countries, mainly from 1948 until the early 1970s.

Today, around 6,500 Jews live in Arab countries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_countries
Palestinians on the other hand did leave on their own, encouraged by Palestinian and non-Palestinian arab leaders

 

Let me worry about my own rep, Borat.

 

Israel should agree to nothing until Hamas is irradiated. If Hamas continues to hide behind schools and mosques full of children.. then so be it. The body count is on Hamas' heads.

 

So, what is a response supposed to look like?

 

It's not Hamas that kill Palestinian children.
It's Israeli weapons.

 

Yessssssss . . . and it has absolutely nothing to do with the rockets Hamas has been launching against Israel for year after year while the rest of the world utterly ignored the issue. The Israelis just decided to go postal for the hell of it. Sheesh!

 

Nothing at all, it's a matter of who is protecting whom. In this case, the IDF is charged with protecting Israeli lives and so, carries out the mandate to kill, capture or neutralize any and all threats to their people. The terrorist group Hamas can protect their people by not firing terrorist attacks from the areas in which their people live or, God forbid, not attacking at all and instead making peace.

Hamas deliberately attacks civilians as the mainstay of their policy towards Israel whereas Israel does not. The definition of terrorism contains the caveat that the attacks be deliberately targeting civilians, Israel warns civilians prior to attacking the Hamas firing locations.

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When they ensure those children are in a position that because they turned it into a military target by their terrorist actions it is tantamount to murder of their own.

 

That is just about the most stupid argument I have ever heard. Right and wrong in a war aren't determined by which side has higher casualties. That's like saying that if 3 guys rob your family of 6 with a home invasion, kill two of your family but you killed all three of them, you were overzealous in protecting your remaining family members because the robbers had a higher casualty ratio. It's the fact that they were ROBBING you that justifies any response you make. And in war, right and wrong is determined by who is the aggressor and who is not. If Cuba started launching missiles at Florida, I'd hope the U.S. would respond by eliminating their capability to do so, because it's the job of OUR government to protect OUR citizens, not worry about the poor Cubans who might get hurt if we bombed them. When will you apologists for Hamas get it through your heads? If Hamas stops firing rockets at Israel, or trying to attack Israel thru tunnels, the Palestinian people will be safe. No country worth being a country is going to just sit there and take it, and frankly Israel has shown remarkable restraint. But I really think they're getting VERY tired of it, and the number of people in the world who "think" like you do are getting smaller and smaller. Hamas and the Palestinians are losing the public opinion poll, and they're losing the war. When enough of the Palestinians decide they want peace, they'll have it, but if they keep it up much longer, there won't be many of them left to enjoy it. Oh well.

 

Spare us that nonsense. Tell that rubbish to the parents of those four boys who got killed playing football on the beach. Some terrorist they were!!! Israel has the right to defend herself but has no right to slaughter civilians just for the sake of it.

 

Four out of how many, five hundred. In any case ....

"The Israeli military said the reported civilian casualties were unintended and "tragic" and it was investigating what happened. "Based on preliminary results, the target of this strike was Hamas terrorist operatives," it said in a statement. "

Glad you approve of Israel defending herself and as you know, sometimes mistakes occur.

 

States the like of Syria and Iraq ?
A good joke, millions of their citizens are refugees and hundreds of thousands dead from civil war in those countries.
Saudi Arabia ? Where Stopping being a Muslim result in a death penalty by law.