Israeli Cabinet Unanimously Rejects Kerry's Temporary Truce Proposal.....

Why do you think the land was "rightfully Israeli"??? The Palestinians were there for over 2,000 years. Who do you think planted and tended all those 500 year old olive trees?

 

And it was widely believed throughout the history that the biggest cause of antisemitism was [gasp] JEWS. Seriously, don't take my word for it, look up antisemitic canards, it's one of the most prominent ones.

I am sure you are sincere alexa, but it's the other way around. Israel is not the cause of antisemitism, antisemitism is what's causing the treatment of Israel as Jew among nations. The double standard, the obsession with Israel, the resentment at Israel's refusal to roll over and die, the litany of excuses, understanding, justification and forgiveness of anything and anyone who wants and does hurt Israel, it all points in this direction.

 

Well the mindset that they are a separate people and cannot live with others has not been helpful to them.

 

One minute you are for eradication of Israel, next for a two state solution, one of which is presumably israel. Make up your mind already.

PS Arabs don't accept two state solution, they didn't in 1948 or 1967, they still don't. Duh.

 

Did you read the History? Seems they came after the facts recorded down for all antiquity.

Did you forget that Arabs use to be Nomadic.

 

Utter rubbish, they were well assimilated in Spain and Portugal and got the inquisition, they were very well integrated into russian society as much as they were allowed to by the authorities and got pogroms, they considered themselves Germans and German patriots and got the Holocaust. Shame on you, margot.

PS note to alexa, case in point, blaming jews for antisemitism.

 

Yes.. they thrived in Muslim Spain.. It was a period of great enlightenment and progress for the Jews... a departure from tribal xenophobia. That's why its called the Golden Age of Judaism.

Herzl was promoting Zionism LONG before the rise of Hitler... and you are right.. They considered themselves Germans and Frenchmen, Englishmen, Egyptians etc.. Zionism has been a disaster.

 

I was wondering whether you would have the nerve to try and argue against that. Here is what you said

Reality also being that the land was the arabs at that time. They are the indigenous people. I am afraid you saying something and then trying to make out terrorism is alright as long as they are the people you support while if not those you support the people are subhuman, unlike others incapable of change and should be sent 'Back to dust in the wind' says it all. Sounds like you are suggesting genocide.

 

I am glad you agree your previous comment was utter nonsense. And 2000 years of pogroms, inquisitions, holocausts, persecutions, expulsions in no particular order was real disaster for the jews, which fortunately ended with the establishment of Israel.

 

The Jews were thriving in Spain and earlier in the Silver Age of Judaism in Babylon. They also prospered in the Arab world.. owning factories and in the import-export business.

 

Gimmi a break, Margot.

'Kill Jews' Town Highlights Spain's Struggles with Anti-Semitism

Centuries after thousands of Jews were forced to convert, burned at the stake or expelled, Spain is still grappling with its brutal and deep-seated anti-Semitic past.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/kill-jews-town-highlights-spains-struggles-anti-semitism-n89476

 

Catholic Spain NOT Muslim Spain..

In Muslim Spain they joined Muslims guilds or formed their own.... and the study of science, medicine and literature was blooming.

 

Three words - forced conversion.

 

muslims did not force spanish jews to convert.... torquemada, however... he was a different story altogether.

 

Why on earth would anybody expect women and children to be deliberately placed in a war setting, especially when told to leave prior to firing?

Victor, I don't deliberately place women and children in harms way so it is not "according to me," it is for certain a fact unless of course you feel that telling women and children to remain in the fact of deadly danger a morally good thing to do (which I do not.)

So to you, placing women and children in a house, then turning that house into a target is morally correct, deliberately firing rockets at civilians is morally correct, terrorism is morally correct?

Victor, you are a piece of work for sure!

 

Israel outlawed use of humans as shields, Hamas uses their civilians as shields as policy.

 

Four out of how many, five hundred. In any case ....

"The Israeli military said the reported civilian casualties were unintended and "tragic" and it was investigating what happened. "Based on preliminary results, the target of this strike was Hamas terrorist operatives," it said in a statement. "

 

At least Victor knows it is wrong in that he attempts to disguise it, he just forgets what argument he should be putting forth at any given time.

 

But you say that deliberately targeting civilians with rockets is perfectly fine. Golly, do you even know what you write or is it simply random words from an English Arabic Dictionary?

 

"The Israel Defence Force told the AFP in a statement: "Based on preliminary results, the target of this strike was Hamas terrorist operatives. The reported civilian casualties from this strike are a tragic outcome.""

As Israel said, they made a mistake and it was tragic. Have you five hundred more examples such as this or is this the only one you can pull up?

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This fantasy world of trying to suggest Jews thrived as dhimmi/khafir in the Muslim world is stale.

You may think it was groovy living as an inferior second class citizen in a forced ghetto with no rights but Jews did not.

Thriving?

Right. Jews, Christians, Bahaiis, Zoroastreas, Assyrians, Bernbers,Kurds,Buddists,Hindus, Christians have thrived under Muslim oppression.

I mean the Christians in Sudan,they thrived and hey how about all that thriving in Nigeria, Yemen, Syria,

I mean living in the Muslim wold of fundamentalism is utopia..

Here are some direct sources to repudiate the myth of Islamic tolerance:

http://www.nowscape.com/islam/myth_of_islamic_tolerance_1.htm



http://islaminitsownwords.blogspot.ca/2009/04/oppression-of-non-muslims-under-islamic.html

http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.ca/2008/10/forgotten-oppression-of-jews-under.html

I am not sure what it is that compels people to try push this myth that Sharia law as practiced in Muslim nations is a model of tolerance and Jews thrived living under dhimmitude.

Its trotted out by you Margot and others time and time again.Why? What is the point. You really think people are stupid enough to believe Islam as its implemented through its states is democratic let alone tolerant? Really?

Yes sir, Sudan, Nigeria, Alegria, Tunisia, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, all models of tolerance. No civil wars or uprisings.No violen ce.No terror in the name of Allah right?

I mean the women are treated as equals just likethe gays right?

You know how insulting it really is to try claim Jews thrived under Islamic rule? What next we thrive under Russian and German rule too?

The traditional concept of the "dhimma" ("writ of protection") has never been withdrawn in sharia law nations.

It necessarily imposes subordination to Muslims of any non Muslims through state laws.
Get it clear Margot. A Jew or Christian in a Muslim country was a khafir and dhimma an infidel, who had to openly acknowledge the superiority of the true believer--the Muslim.

To this day dhimmis areexcluded from public office and armed service. Oh we thrive did we. Sure. We paid a yearly tax simply for protection, i.e., allowing us to live. We were not allowed to ride horses or camels, to build synagogues (and the Christians churches) taller than mosques, to construct houses higher than those of Muslim.

We could not pray or mourn in loud voices-as that might offend the Muslims.

We had to show public deference toward Muslims by yielding them the center of the road.

To this day a dhimmi isnot allowed to give evidence in court against a Muslim, and our oath is unacceptable in an Islamic court.

Thrive? We had to wear yellow badges and clothes.

Thrive? You want to pretend there was no violence against Jews?

Tell me how we thrived with the following:


1-December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob which then burned down the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants after being incited by Muslim preachers

2-Morocco, 8th century, whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I;

3-North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities;

4-Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews;

5-Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830;

6-Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880

7-Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 167, Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344);

8-1465, Arab mobs in Fez, Morocco slaughtered thousands of Jews;

9-19th century; Jews in North Africa (Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos; in Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto and Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways;

10-during this time period Jews were executed on charges of apostasy, attacks on Jews, and Jewish ritual murder accusations against Jews became common throughout the Ottoman Empire.

Thrive? Such b.s. We survived in spite of our persecution.

The neo Nazi German anti-Semitism and the British an French anti-Semitism when it was brought in mixed and mutated easily with the Muslim form of anti-Semitism and to this day the merger of the two is seen in the goosestepping and Hitler salutes of Hezbollah and Hamas and the armies of Syria, Egypt, Iraq, and other Arab League nations.

 

I figured you were forget the History Lesson. Although......those Sumerians tend to show where and what ANY Arabs are or were about.

 

Yeah and then the real Clincher.....when they can explain Hortar the Egyptian Slave of Abraham. Mother of Ishmael.....just how she became Sunni or Shia.....or any other kind of Arab. Seems some of that info gets lost over time.....when Arabs speak of History.

 

The qassams are indeed justified, if not excusable.

Meaning by there that there are ample reasons to launch them - I would gladly discuss them with you if I considered you capable of.

But, at the same times, it means that I, personally, disapprove targeting civilians, in any form, in any conflict. That's what you call a "personal value". What, do you think I see Hamas as purest white the way you see Israelis? Althought I generally support the Palestinian side of the conflict, it does not mean that whatever they do bad automatically becomes my ideal. I am not brainwashed.

Complicated, huh, DrewBedson? I understand that you could have been so confused.