Israeli Mayor wants East Jerusalem youths shot for stone-throwing

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  1. HBendor

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    There should be a red line to all of that also, for this cannot go forever... lots of years have elapsed since the supposedly correction of the charter.

    If I was the PM of Israel I would have put Abbas in prison for all the incitements, the complimentary statements to terrorists who died because of his incitements and the confirmation that they will be in Muslim Paradise.

    Israel is confronting the lowest elements in this area, their belief in fantasies is predominantly because of their low education etc.,
     
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    It has been implemented. Again
    "A. The Palestinian National Charter is hereby amended by canceling the articles that are contrary to the letters exchanged the P.L.O. and the Government of Israel 9-10 September 1993."
    Those articles which are specified in 1998 letter are cancelled and have no more effect.
    Again this is on your country's foreign ministry website.

    Again this is not me saying this, the position that the PLO charter has been amended is your government position including your pm, former pm Sharon, former right wing minister Natan Sharansky, and former minister Yitzhak Moredechai.
     
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    Abbas is not behind these attacks with Israeli security officials noting

    "Not only does Abbas not wish for escalation of the violence, the officials said, he has carried out a series of measures to make sure such escalation does not occur: he has called hardliners within his movement, who have voiced inflammatory statements in recent days, to order; he has ordered official Palestinian media to tone down its rhetoric; he has arrested violent elements in the West Bank, including Hamas protesters in Tulkarem.
    Security coordination with Israel continues unabated, the officials stress, and Abbas has funneled millions of shekels to West Bank universities in order to prevent a strike that would leave hundreds of students on the street. Plainclothes Palestinian security personnel make sure that no live ammunition is fired from within Fatah-led demonstrations."
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/palest...laise-depends-which-israeli-official-you-ask/

    Abbas also agreed to most of Olmert's terms in 2008 but ran out of time to complete negations with Bibi refusing to go back to those terms.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/magazine/13Israel-t.html?_r=0
     
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    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo it has not been... It was a <super takyah> = <super deceit>

    It was supposedly amended for the world at large to know it was... but in reality the Arabs were informed that we will keep our sacred theme... the destruction of Israel.

    Apparently <name dropping> is very contagious... you are the second person here who has opted to be inflicted with this.
     
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    Here is what the MEDIA at large hide from public scrutiny...

    Today&#8217;s Top Stories
    1. In the last 24 hours, there were four Palestinian stabbing attacks. See below for details. In case you missed yesterday&#8217;s roundup, I have decided to call the widening violence an &#8220;intifada.&#8221; Here&#8217;s Why I&#8217;m calling it an intifada.

    2. Who knew? Palestinians influenced by Islamic State burned down the St. Charbel monastery in Bethlehem on Sept. 26. Bar Ilan University&#8217;s Edy Cohen asks, &#8220;Where&#8217;s the coverage?&#8221;

    The burning of the church in Bethlehem was a despicable and racist act against a marginalized community who lived peacefully in this country before the arrival of the Muslims. The blackout from the Palestinian side is understandable. That&#8217;s what Arab countries who live under dictatorship do. But the question must be asked today why there was a media blackout in Israel when Palestinian terrorists burned a church in Bethlehem while we heard condemnations from all sides when the Church of the Multiplication of the Loaves and Fish in Tiberias was burned down a few months ago.

    One of the reporters said the matter was not interesting, another senior reporter told me that if it was a Jew was that did it I would have reported on it straight away and they would be preparing a panel on CNN about it.
     
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    Here is what Arlene Kushner the best Journalist in Israel reports:...

    October 12, 2015

    &#8220;THIS MUST GO VIRAL&#8221;

    Dear friends,

    I did not intend to post today, but &#8211; as has happened before &#8211; I realized that I must.

    Yesterday, I wrote about Sheikh Mohammad Abu Rajab, who, during a sermon in the Al Abrar Mosque in Rafah, Gaza, demonstrated the way to stab a Jew. I knew there was a video of his &#8220;sermon,&#8221; but it seemed to be unavailable &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t access it and so put up a still photo. Bad enough, to see a member of the Muslim &#8220;clergy&#8221; brandishing a knife from the pulpit.

    Now I have located the video, which comes from MEMRI. It was broadcast via Internet, and Abu Rajab himself makes note of this, because the message goes far and wide this way. Internet, and social media, have been used extensively in inciting during the current violence.

    Here is the video from MEMRI.

    http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/5098.htm

    I truly hope you can access it. I watched it, not once, but twice. I was stunned and shaken, for the hatred he expresses is so obscene.

    You must watch it to the end, my friends, to understand what we are dealing with.
     
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    Their own leadership says it has not and also states it will not be changed;

    ""It will remain as is. It won't be subject to discussion," Azzam al-Ahmad, a senior Fatah leader, said.

    The charter calls for armed struggle "until the Zionist entity is wiped out and Palestine is liberated"."
     
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    Just for the readers to be aware of what transpires on a daily basis here, I am posting the latest mockery, juxtaposition of inequality, this baseless absurdity... enrich yourself with this displayed/posted inequity...

    MEMRI October 11, 2015 Special Dispatch No.6182
    Palestinian Bar Association Awards Honorary Law Degree To Killer Of Two
    Israelis In Jerusalem
    http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8791.htm

    The Palestinian Bar Association, whose heads are Fatah members and which
    receives funding from the European Union and the United Nations, announced
    yesterday that it would award an honorary law degree to Muhannad Al-Halabi,
    a Palestinian law student who was killed after he stabbed two Israelis to
    death in Jerusalem's Old City on October 4, 2015. The association's
    announcement said: "The Palestinian Bar Association decided in its meeting
    today [October 10] to award an honorary law degree to the martyred hero
    Muhannad Al-Halabi and to hold its next [bar] swearing-in ceremony in [his]
    honor." The announcement also noted that "the martyred hero Al-Halabi was an
    outstanding student at the faculty of law," and that the head of the
    association and members of its board had visited his family to convey their
    condolences and inform them of their decisions.[1]


    The announcement on the Palestinian Bar Association's website
    (Palestinebar.ps, October 10, 2015)

    [COLOR=""]Palestinian Bar Association Receives Funds From EU, UN[/COLOR]

    The Palestinian Bar Association receives substantial funds from the EU, as
    stated on the former's website. For example, in 2010, the EU allocated &#8364;4.7
    million for developing the association and supporting the Palestinian
    judiciary and general prosecution;[2] in 2012 it allocated &#8364;1.4 million to
    support the association and train attorneys in the PA territories,[3] and
    recently it allocated another &#8364;1 million to the association.[4] The
    Palestinian Bar Association also receives funding from other bodies, such as
    the UNDP, UN Women and others.[5]


    The EU logo on the Palestinian Bar Association's website

    The association's donors (Palestinian Bar Association Newsletter, Issue 1,
    February 2012)

    Conclusion ceremony of an EU and Palestinian Bar Association project
    (Palestinebar.ps, August 26, 2014)


    Representatives of Palestinian Bar Association and UNDP sign cooperation and
    funding agreement (Palestinebar.ps, February 16, 2015)


    Endnotes:
     
  10. HBendor

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    This does not seem to be ending...

    MEMRI
    October 12, 2015 Special Dispatch No.6184
    Fatah Officials, Palestinian Social Media, Palestinian Authority Dailies
    Encourage Continued Violence
    http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8794.htm

    Fatah seems to be speaking in two voices regarding the violent events of the
    last few days,
    which have been described variously as "an intifada," a
    "popular awakening," the "Al-Aqsa Rage" events, etc. Alongside statements by
    PA President Mahmoud 'Abbas expressing a desire to avoid escalation and
    continue the security coordination with Israel, the Palestinian media has
    been publishing statements by PA officials, especially Fatah officials, as
    well as op-eds, that advocate continuing the violence. Some described the
    stabbings as acts of self-defense and others called to maintain a high level
    of tension and conflict. In some cases, PA spokesmen even chose to deny that
    violent attacks have taken place, claiming that Israel was falsely accusing
    Palestinians of terrorism in order to justify their killing. For example,
    commenting on the attempted car bomb attack at the Al-Za'im checkpoint on
    October 11, Palestinian Authority (PA) security services spokesman 'Adnan
    Al-Damiri said that the vehicle had caught fire due to an electric
    malfunction. The PA daily Al-Ayyam claimed that "Israel concocted a false
    and deceptive story about an alleged [attempted] bombing, as it has done on
    numerous occasions in the past."[1] Following the death of Mustafa
    Al-Khatib, who was killed on October 12 as he attempted to knife a soldier
    in Jerusalem, the PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida stated that "the occupation
    forces usually accuse Palestinians of attempted knifings in order to justify
    shooting at them and killing them."[2]

    Additionally, a delegation of Fatah officials, including figures close to
    Palestinian President Mahmoud 'Abbas, paid a condolence visit to the family
    of a terrorist who was killed after he murdered two Israelis in Jerusalem's
    Old City. An investigative article in the PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida
    reviewed reactions by Palestinians on social media who expressed joy at the
    killing of Jews.

    The following are excerpts from statements and articles reflecting this dual
    stance adopted by Fatah.


    Al-Ayyam Headline: "Al-Za'im Checkpoint: Electric Short Circuit in Vehicle
    of [Palestinian] Resident Caused Occupation to Injure Her on Pretext of
    'Suicide Bombing'"

    Fatah Official: "We Are Defending Ourselves... Some Of Us Use Stones And
    Others Knives"

    Fatah Central Committee member Abbas Zaki told the Turkish news agency
    Anadolu: "Armed struggle against the occupation is a legitimate right that
    we will not relinquish, but this [activity] requires unity among all the
    Palestinian factions and establishing a central war room and formulating
    plans so that the armed struggle exacts a steep price from the enemy while
    [also] benefiting the Palestinian people. We reserve the right to [engage
    in] armed struggle, which is an option we will not give up, but we must
    consider how and when to carry it out, and whether the climate is right to
    use it to our benefit. At present we support [waging] a popular intifada
    that will confound the enemy and paralyze his security and economy, and
    prompt the world to address the question of how to end the world's last
    remaining occupation.

    "Deciding on an armed struggle now will [only] serve the enemy, who has the
    military power to kill [us] on a daily basis. Today we are defending
    ourselves, and we will continue to do so. We do not want escalation, but the
    enemy is attacking and destroying our cities and villages. [The means] of
    self-defense differ from one Palestinian to the other, some of us use stones
    and others knives. [But] there is no atmosphere of a new intifada, because
    there is no Palestinian unity. We are now preparing to organize [the forces]
    on the ground. At present, the young people are acting without planning,
    motivated [only] by their conscience and the oppression they live under."[3]

    Muhammad Dahlan, a Palestinian Legislative Council member from Fatah, who is
    a rival of Palestinian President Mahmoud 'Abbas, wrote on his Facebook page:
    "Resistance to the occupation is a national and moral obligation and a right
    sanctified and guaranteed by human and divine laws. The current national
    activity is a severe blow to everyone who banned resistance to Israeli
    occupation or termed it a crime. The activity [as a whole] and the
    individual actions constitute...a firm message to the occupier and the
    international community that the forms of resistance have changed and that,
    though the waves [of resistance] may wax and wane, [the resistance itself]
    will never die or cease as long as an occupation exists... There is an
    urgent need to take measures and make decisions on two levels. [First,]
    there is the pressing and immediate level, which is mainly declaring a clear
    preference for national action and meeting all the needs in order to
    continue it and defend it... At the same time, [we must] call for serious
    national meetings with a clear and defined agenda instead of exchanging
    blows in the media and political arena...[4]

    Fatah Delegation Pays Condolence Visit To Family Of Terrorist Who Knifed Two
    Israelis

    A delegation of Fatah officials paid a condolence visit to the family of
    Muhannad Al-Halabi, who stabbed two Jews to death on October 4, 2015. The
    delegation included Fatah Central Committee members 'Azzam Al-Ahmad, a
    senior PA official close to PA President 'Abbas, as well as Nabil Sha'ath,
    Mahmoud Al-'Aloul and Jamal Al-Muhsin; Fatah spokesman Ahmad 'Assaf; Fatah's
    secretary in Ramallah Muwaffaq Sahwil; assistance commissioner of
    recruitment 'Abd Al-Mun'im Wahdan; Hassan Faraj, secretary-general of
    Fatah's Shabiba youth movement; Mustafa 'Abd Al-Hadi, member of Fatah's
    leadership in Ramallah and Al-Bira, and others. During the visit, 'Azzam
    Al-Ahmad said on behalf of the Fatah: "The Palestinian people will continue
    to defend itself against aggression and it is very determined to struggle,
    no matter what the cost, until the occupation ends."[5]

    The Palestinian Bar Association, whose heads are Fatah members and which
    receives funds from the E.U., announced it would award an honorary law
    degree to "the martyred hero Muhannad Al-Halabi," who had been studying
    law.[6] The association also decided to hold its next conference in honor of
    Al-Halabi.


    Muhannad Al-Halabi (image: Amad.ps, October 10, 2015)

    Facebook Page Of Fatah Information Body Calls To Use Poison-Filled Syringes
    Instead of Knives

    In an October 8 post, the Facebook page of the "Fatah Movement Information
    and Ideological Recruitment Commission" advocated the use of syringes filled
    with sulphuric acid or some other poisonous substance. It said: "Please
    circulate this post so it will reach the residents of Jerusalem, since this
    is a more efficient and lethal [method] than using a knife. Considering that
    metal detectors have been installed at the entrances to occupied Jerusalem
    in order to prevent the use of knives in stabbing operations, [note that]
    there is a newer and simpler method: using syringes filled with sulphuric
    acid for example, or else gas or any other poisonous substance."[7]



    The same day, this Facebook page also posted an obituary notice for Amjad
    Hatem Mahmoud Al-Jundi, who carried out the October 7, 2015 stabbing attack
    in the city of Kiryat Gat. The notice, issued by the Fatah movement in Yatta
    and its environs that includes pictures of 'Abbas and Yasser 'Arafat as well
    as the official Fatah logo, reads:"The National Palestinian Liberation
    Movement Fatah in Yatta and its environs, including all its districts and
    organizational branches, as well as the movement offices and the office of
    the student youth movement, all proudly congratulate the heroic martyr Amjad
    Hatem Mahmoud Al-Jundi (Al-Hushiya), who on October 7, 2015 executed a
    heroic stabbing operation within the Palestinian territories of [19]48 in
    defense of the Al-Aqsa mosque. Glory and eternal life to our loyal
    martyrs."[8]


    Obituary notice for Amjad Hatem Mahmoud Al-Jundi

    Another Fatah-affiliated Facebook page, called "Fatah &#8211; Al-'Asifa Forces,"
    posted an obituary of "the heroic martyr of Jerusalem, Fadi 'Aloun," who
    committed an attack on security forces on Jerusalem's Haneviim Street. Like
    the obituary notice for Al-Jundi, this notice too bore the portraits of
    Yasser 'Arafat and Mahmoud 'Abbas, and the Fatah symbol.[9]



    Obituary for Fadi Aloun

    Activists On Social Media Rejoice: "25 Bullets Killed The Zionist Woman Who
    Cursed The Messenger Of Allah"

    The PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida published an investigative report by Amal
    Dweikat titled "Facebook Support for Attacking Settlers," which stated that
    Palestinian activists on Facebook and Twitter had responded with joy to the
    attack on two settlers near Itamar, which they termed "heroic", and
    especially to the photos of the man and woman who were killed.[10] The
    article mentions that one these activists invited readers to watch a video
    titled "25 Bullets Killed the Zionist Woman Who Cursed the Prophet Muhammad
    in Al-Aqsa Mosque." The activists also associated the attack with the
    burning of the Dawabshe family. Some of the activists posted inciting songs
    encouraging the escalation of violence, such as "No Force in the World Will
    Take Away My Weapon."[11]


    Post on social media: "Video: 25 bullets killed the Zionist woman who had
    cursed the Prophet Muhammad in Al-Aqsa mosque"

    Columnists In PA Dailies Call For Continuing "Awakening", Clashes

    Columnists in PA dailies praised the "awakening" events and some called to
    continue them and to maintain the state of unrest. Yahya Rabbah, the PLO's
    former ambassador to Yemen and a columnist for Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, wrote:
    "Thank you, O Palestinian people, yours is the glory and the victory. The
    comprehensive popular awakening has spread from the northernmost point in
    the West Bank to its southernmost point, reaching Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa. It
    has also dawned in Gaza and inside the Green Line, as well as in the
    Palestinian diaspora, both near and far. With this ongoing awakening, the
    great Palestinian people has managed to deliver a new blow to the
    settlements."[12]

    Akram 'Atallah, a columnist for the PA daily Al-Ayyam, wrote: "It is
    necessary to maintain a certain level of conflict, without reaching a [state
    of] war with rivers of blood but [also] without reverting to a state of
    calm...It is necessary to continue the conflict at a certain tension
    [level], as dictated by political considerations.[13]

    Another Al-Ayyam columnist, Rima Nazzal, wrote: "We must allow events to
    continue, develop and build up [while] rallying the masses around them and
    providing the conditions for their continuation. This will be guaranteed if
    [we] announce the failure of the negotiations and the collapse of the Oslo
    [Accords] and if a new struggle strategy is formulated, based upon action
    and providing all sectors the chance to participate and persevere in the
    popular resistance strategy without giving it names or laying down its
    frameworks [in advance]."[14]



    Endnotes:



    [1] Al-Ayyam (PA), October 11, 2015.


    [2] Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), October 12, 2015.


    [3] Amad.ps, October 9, 2015.


    [4] Facebook.com/mohammad.dahlan2, October 10, 2015.


    [5] Amad.ps, October 10, 2015.


    [6] Palestinebar.ps, October 10, 2015.


    [7] Facebook.com/fathPsc, October 8, 2015.


    [8] Facebook.com/fathPsc, October 8, 2015.


    [9] Facebook.com/fateh.palestine.1965, October 4, 2015.


    [10] Eitam and Naama Henkin were shot from a passing vehicle on October 1,
    2015 while driving on a road near Itamar with their four children.


    [11] Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), October 2, 2015.


    [12] Al-Hayat Al-Jadida.ps, October 10, 2015.


    [13] Al-Ayyam (PA) October 11, 2015.


    [14] Al-Ayyam (PA) October 11, 2015.


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    Materials may only be cited with proper attribution.
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if Israel is smart, they will evacuate all IDF and settlers from east of the Seperation Barrier, and call it a day.
     
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    We are smart perhaps more than you can imagine. This land is ours, it is our ancestral land, it is our historic home... Soooo, I suggest you concentrate on your own Di Blasio.
     
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    The West Bank is Occupied Territory.

    its not Israel's. They haven't even annexed it, which shows their intent.
     
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    Your suggestion is not acceptable on the grounds that the Israel Wall is 100% in Occupied Palestine, including East Jerusalem. The Israelis need to withdraw to the 1967 border in keeping with UN Resolution 242. East Jerusalem is not part of Israel.
     
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    it would give the Palestinians 92% of the West Bank.

    in the absense of a peace treaty, its a great interim arrangement.
     
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    Oh! Giving up East Jerusalem and the Al-Aqsa? You cannot be serious.
     
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    For the umpteenth time, there are no borders this is/was a temporary <Armistice Line>...
    Besides when the IDF in a defensive posture, liberates its patrimony, it is their patrimony!
     
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    Fairy tales have no bearing on intelligent politics

    - - - Updated - - -

    Temporarily, yes.
     
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    No deal.
     
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    you don't speak for the Palestinian people

    i suspect that if Israel offered to withdraw to the Seperation Barrier and ended the embargo on Gaza in exchange for a seccessation of all violence, the Palestinians would say "yes".
     
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    Israelis are determined to claim sovereignty over East Jerusalem
    Continuing to regard the illegally annexed East Jerusalem as part of Israel, the Israeli Public Security Minister, Gilard Erdan, stated yesterday that for years the Israeli government neglected to enforce its sovereignty over the Palestinian area and this has to be corrected now. "That will not only be fixed by police enforcing laws &#8211; sovereignty must be shown in all areas,&#8221; he said.
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Erdan-Government-must-express-its-sovereignty-in-Arab-neighborhoods-of-Jerusalem-423777
    The occupation government of Israel does not appreciate that it was their recent attempt to take charge of the Al-Aqsa mosque and compound and assert its sovereignty over the third holiest site in Islam which has created all the present resistance by Palestinians. The Jerusalem Post also reports that Erdan said the government will use house demolitions and taking away citizenship and residency from from any Palestinian who resists the occupation, labeling such Arabs "terrorists". Such are the illegal and desperate methods of the Israelis. They haven't a legal or moral leg to stand on.

    [​IMG]
    Gilad Erdan wants to demolish homes of Arab families and expel from their city of birth anyone who resists the occupation.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Suspect all you like. The Palestinians will not bargain away East Jerusalem.
     
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    for a temporary agreement?

    sure they will
     
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    The West Bank has never been part of the state of Israel that's a fact. Acquiring territory and annexing it after WW2 regardless of whether it was defensive or not is against international law. Israel within green lines is Israel's sovereign territory recognized by most countries in the world. Again the fact is holding West Bank makes it impossible to keep Israel as a Jewish democratic state(you approve of apartheid? or turning Israel into binational/Arab state?)
     
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    Abbas offered Israel to keep its Jewish neighborhoods in East Jerusalem except Har Homa, that's a fact. Negotiations not likely to happen nor does Abbas who is very unpopular probably capable of carrying out a deal; Like Ronstar , and Israeli security officials like Amos Yadlan have pointed out, the fence should be the border. It makes Israel an actual Jewish democratic state, settlement blocs which everyone agrees(including Abbas except for Ariel agrees on, Israel after making fence border should annex that area) will stay in any deal and is behind the fence.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/magazine/13Israel-t.html?_r=0
     
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    You must know that "temporary" to the Israelis is time without end. Such a notion is cockeyed.

    Unlike you, Ronstar, and the Israelis, the Palestinians will not accept the Wall as the border because it is entirely within the Occupied Territories. Always and in every UN resolution the borders must be those of 1967. Any Palestinian who put his signature to surrendering East Jerusalem, whether a collaborator or patriot, would be signing his own death warrant.
     

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